#3813963 - 07/24/13 09:05 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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They're a small team; not a great track record in QA for whatever reason. It is what it is.
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#3813978 - 07/24/13 09:48 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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they cant really test every configuration...
isnt it like this with every Major DCSW version release?
1.2.x is released, good for a day, then lots of bugs come up as people transition their missions and stuff.
Several updates for 1.2.x.xxxx to fix those bugs.
Calm seas, then the next Major release comes out, repeat.
With the amount of stuff they introduced in 1.2.5, im surprised it was out this quick...
from what i read, most of the bigger bugs are already fixed internally...
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#3813998 - 07/24/13 10:16 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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The latest update is quite a big one so its no surprise that some bugs slipped through but its still good that they fix the issues with patches and continue to support the sim. I just flew a mp mission and did not see any issues if its related to a mission then you should open it in the Me and see if you can find which part of the mission is the problem.
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#3814101 - 07/25/13 08:54 AM
Re: Update Fiasco
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I dont think 1.2.5 has a "fiasco". The incoming today hotfix can resorve some important bugs, and the next week others more. DCS: W has a big program and need very careless programing to maintanig working, and the future (EDGE, 3rd Parties, etc), make them more biggest and get more and more problems to maintaing fixed, expected ED optimized them with the time. Today has a "hotfix", wait to see them.
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#3814116 - 07/25/13 11:23 AM
Re: Update Fiasco
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Fiasco? Pull your head in, Princess. I don't like sounding like a Troll, but DCS World and all it's modules is amazingly complex software. I didn't write a line of code for this but I'm a professional Software Engineer and I'm in awe of this product. ED put out a new update and you lost some functionality which is always disappointing to the user, but believe that the devs are 10 x disappointed, as I know the feeling. But you jump up and down throwing a tantrum using words like "fiasco". How about acting like an adult and submit the defect to the devs and move on with life.
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#3814125 - 07/25/13 11:56 AM
Re: Update Fiasco
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Fiasco? Pull your head in, Princess. I don't like sounding like a Troll, but DCS World and all it's modules is amazingly complex software. I didn't write a line of code for this but I'm a professional Software Engineer and I'm in awe of this product. ED put out a new update and you lost some functionality which is always disappointing to the user, but believe that the devs are 10 x disappointed, as I know the feeling. But you jump up and down throwing a tantrum using words like "fiasco". How about acting like an adult and submit the defect to the devs and move on with life. If you think that was a tantrum then check REAL RANT out. I think they need some of your wise counseling as well. Thank God we have wise, mature, level headed folks like yourself to correct us in our moments of weakness. I am humbled by your greatness and grateful that you have brought me back to my senses. What was I thinking??? How did I dare wander from the role of complacent and loyal soldier? I hang my head in shame.
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#3814139 - 07/25/13 01:02 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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@Blooze: Not mean to defend JayB, he's big enough... But I followed your link and you sound exactly like those guys... What's your point?
Absolutely not wanting to patronize anyone, but ED clearly stated they are looking into it. Chill, you surely have other things to do. Wait for the fix and then we'll all see where that does lead.
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#3814143 - 07/25/13 01:22 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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Seen this so many times over the years in every game and sim etc - basically the only thing to understand is that if they spent months/years testing every possible scenario before release:
1. There would still be bugs in it. 2. they'd be going out of business.
So its a compromise - and just the way it is..............
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#3814149 - 07/25/13 01:36 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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If ED had no bugs on a patch/software release, they'd be out of a job. :p Eh! .. wrong! If all they do is fix bugs etc., .. then there is no NEW income from new projects/modules, .. which would allow them to keep their jobs. Working incessantly on patches/bugs etc., .. means they might all be out of a job pretty soonish. Cheers Tom
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#3814156 - 07/25/13 02:14 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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How about we all pull in the petty personal attacks and actually try to sound like reasonable adults?
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#3814178 - 07/25/13 03:26 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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@Blooze: Not mean to defend JayB, he's big enough... But I followed your link and you sound exactly like those guys... What's your point?
Absolutely not wanting to patronize anyone, but ED clearly stated they are looking into it. Chill, you surely have other things to do. Wait for the fix and then we'll all see where that does lead.
It's just a game and we're all humans... I agree. The reason I posted the link was to highlight yet more foolish, pointless and immature rants similar to mine. I have already conceded to that. What more can I do? I will consult with both you and JayB before posting in the future. That way I can be sure that whatever I post will be agreeable.
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#3814187 - 07/25/13 03:44 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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..Working incessantly on patches/bugs etc., .. means they might all be out of a job pretty soonish. Cheers Tom Maddox/1C easily springs to mind. Blooze, I'm sure there are more of us seeing what you see but one isn't really supposed to say it out loud In the scientology church of E.Dynamics only pure thoughts are to be said.
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#3814195 - 07/25/13 04:10 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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I remember before that with every new version, I would go through my missions, open them up in the new editor, then rename and save them with the new version number, that way I know what's what. I do the same with my BMS missions. So are the old missions not working even if saved in the new editor? In any case, this is nothing new for ED. You'd think they'd test for something like this, include it in the "do this before we release something new" checklist, but nope. Same issue with tutorial videos.... how can an update "break" a tutorial? I also used to go through the controls page after each update to make sure things were set up as they are; a few updates before would bork a controller setup. Such is life, I guess. EDIT: I wonder if they've fixed that "hiccup" yet wherein FPS would slideshow when bomb explosions occur?
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#3814198 - 07/25/13 04:22 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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Speaking from experience (as in doing load builds and software testing as a full time job for 6+ years)
ED are terrible , they seem to have a cavalier attitude at best or are taking incompetence to dizzying new heights
They should hire proper experienced and qualified software testers and rely on the volunteers for backup
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#3814201 - 07/25/13 04:29 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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I'd think that from your experience, you should know better than to assume that whatever you're doing is applicable to every project. You should also know better than to accuse people of incompetence or cavalier attitudes. Perhaps you should experience running a small software shop with a big, very complex, niche, but not very high income product before you try to play blame games? Speaking from experience (as in doing load builds and software testing as a full time job for 6+ years)
ED are terrible , they seem to have a cavalier attitude at best or are taking incompetence to dizzying new heights
They should hire proper experienced and qualified software testers and rely on the volunteers for backup
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#3814212 - 07/25/13 05:01 PM
Re: Update Fiasco
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I used to do QA, I do complete build cycle supervision/administration/management or whatever else you'd like to call it.
Proper methods and procedures are fine and dandy, but at the same time proper methods and procedures might not always be implementable, for any very large set of reasons.
No one likes to see a broken build go out the door, and ED sure as heck didn't like seeing that happen either. Compared to what I do at my day job, ED faces challenges that are quite a bit different in terms of QA control from the perspective of resources than you would in most software shops where the product is either simple, or the process really well engineered with the combination of enough money going into it to be able to afford a proper level of QA.
They have internal testers - as many as they can afford. the beta testers (aka 'us beta testers') are the second pass, and then the build is released.
Certainly things can always be improved, and people within ED, some of who you may have heard of, some not, are always looking to smooth things out.
They're not stupid, they understand they need backwards compatibility and to not break things with a release. How that is going to be fixed, I don't know, but they'll figure something out.
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