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#3786007 - 05/22/13 05:32 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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Regarding SA-5 it is really interesting, how both sides think they killed each other - while in reality nobody was hurt thumbsup

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#3794576 - 06/10/13 09:53 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3805660 - 07/06/13 07:31 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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guys what different between Acquire target before launch and Acquire target during launch

#3805662 - 07/06/13 07:37 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
guys what different between Acquire target before launch and Acquire target during launch


From the manual:

Quote:
Special Shooting Circumstances
Target Angular Velocity is less than 100m/s, or Receding Target
The missiles GSN (semi active seeker head) cannot track target if the target's speed is below 100m/s, while the missile is stationery, so it should acquire after launch

#3805668 - 07/06/13 08:14 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh
guys what different between Acquire target before launch and Acquire target during launch


From the manual:

Quote:
Special Shooting Circumstances
Target Angular Velocity is less than 100m/s, or Receding Target
The missiles GSN (semi active seeker head) cannot track target if the target's speed is below 100m/s, while the missile is stationery, so it should acquire after launch
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AHHH piston ! in manuak do note wrote about Acquire target during launch
hpasp wrote about just v<0 mode ! this different switch and Acquire target during launch is another one !

#3805670 - 07/06/13 08:20 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
this different switch and Acquire target during launch is another one !


Can you post a picture of this switch?

#3805671 - 07/06/13 08:36 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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num 1.Acquire target before launch

num 2.Acquire target during launch


#3805674 - 07/06/13 08:53 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I see:

Quote:
V POLETE - against low flying targets, when you have RPC, but no GSN lock (track in 3 coordinates)


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There are two V polete modes. one is plain old V polete, where the missile locks on at 25 db, and V polete ang. velocity <0m/s, used for receding targets. Because their signal strength is much weaker, this modes sets the missile to lock on at 34db. In short, if you had the switch on "V polete" second from the right, yes, that should have happened.


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Checked - on the third second when "V POLETE", on the sixth second when "V<0"


Hpasp's explanation

Hope it is enough...

#3805753 - 07/06/13 03:48 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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we are Demanding to add sa-5 gammon to non- historical scenario



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#3805758 - 07/06/13 04:04 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
we are Demanding to add sa-5 gammon to non- historical scenario


Not "WE", but "YOU"...
You're not my representative, think nobody else authorized you too... banghead

#3805775 - 07/06/13 04:36 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Not "WE", but "YOU"...


do not add yourself to us ! you is you ! not us blahblahblah

#3808844 - 07/13/13 09:59 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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A Czech museum receives some S-200 missiles

http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/p/491038

#3808966 - 07/13/13 05:11 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks for the link!

#3810741 - 07/17/13 03:46 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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why my first missile flying at low alt but twice missile flying at high alt ?
ps: i used flashing index car method !


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#3810813 - 07/17/13 06:09 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I think the S-200 uses two different flight paths, depending on the range to target. If you attacked the target just as it crossed the line, some missiles would use the high path, and some the low path.

Just a guess!

#3810818 - 07/17/13 06:14 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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flashing car? switching RPC off and on? maybe the second one did not see the target while RPC was off, so continued to climb....

#3810829 - 07/17/13 06:39 PM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
flashing car? switching RPC off and on?


I am pretty sure that no one in the real world would use such a "tactic" with S-200, as it rather help to lose your missile, than to avoid a HARM....

#3811079 - 07/18/13 06:22 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes I know but there is no else explanation I can imagine when someone says flashing car.

#3811087 - 07/18/13 07:52 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
flashing car? switching RPC off and on?


I am pretty sure that no one in the real world would use such a "tactic" with S-200, as it rather help to lose your missile, than to avoid a HARM....

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when i launch the missiles ! i turn off my RPC and going to tracking range room for broking lock
then i use one switch to see missile ballestic path in air ! when my missiles passed 30km in ballestic situations !
i pusk the FKM button ! .. and them missile going to target ! that it !

piston79@
you know it from how ? you meant was that samsim is unrealistic ?

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#3811108 - 07/18/13 11:59 AM Re: S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B Gammon) [Re: farokh]  
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@farokh

I think what piston meant is that that method is very tricky and unreliable with semi-active missiles. With command guided missiles even if SNR is not transmitting, you have guidance signals emitted. With SA missiles when SNR is not transmiting/GSN not receiving your missiles are basically ballistic missiles, and have a high chance not to reacquire the target once you turn your SNR on.

Not to flame, but...
F-16 over Bosnia in 95. was shot down by Kub using a technique similar to this. wink

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