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#3810437 - 07/16/13 08:44 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: ePap]  
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Oh yeah great tnx to epap biggrin .... what a quality biggrin biggrin biggrin where did u get from ?
look at phantoms engine smoke wacky
is it real part from real moment ? seehearspeak

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#3810444 - 07/16/13 08:52 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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No,it is photoshop but from close range and definitely is a smoky f-4e ... winkngrin

#3810660 - 07/17/13 12:18 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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i seeing one thing in middle of missile
i sign it with red mark
what is it ?

#3810664 - 07/17/13 01:14 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
great +1000
but.... i guess this plane is like f-16 or f-18 ! of course at my eyese !
would u take another photo from closer range ?

PS: OSA-AK could hunt maverick missile ?


The Karat-2 Camera system has f=150mm wide view, or the f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view.
If you ever tried to photo military jets at an air-show, you will recognize, that targets will be always small on the Karat screen, except if they are suicidal, or doing practice flight.

f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view of an F-4 Phantom at 10km range.
(where our missile should hit him)


f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view of an F-4 Phantom at 3km range.
(now he is already finished his bombing run on us)


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#3810670 - 07/17/13 01:27 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Are you putting the aircraft into the distance map, and generating them that way?

Have you considered using sprites?

#3810673 - 07/17/13 01:36 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: farokh
great +1000
but.... i guess this plane is like f-16 or f-18 ! of course at my eyese !
would u take another photo from closer range ?

PS: OSA-AK could hunt maverick missile ?


The Karat-2 Camera system has f=150mm wide view, or the f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view.
If you ever tried to photo military jets at an air-show, you will recognize, that targets will be always small on the Karat screen, except if they are suicidal, or doing practice flight.

f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view of an F-4 Phantom at 10km range.
(where our missile should hit him)


f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view of an F-4 Phantom at 3km range.
(now he is already finished his bombing run on us)



hpasp what about other models on ashuluk and other scenarios ?
f-111 / f16 / f-18 / a-7 corsair / a-6 / f-105 / a-4 sky hawk .....what about them ?
did i work on them yet ? or just phantom modeled ?

or for osa you just release phantom on karat ?

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#3810678 - 07/17/13 01:43 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
Are you putting the aircraft into the distance map, and generating them that way?

Have you considered using sprites?


This is just the first proof of concept.
Sprites would be nicer, but their movement would not be as smooth as a 3D map.

And to stay at the reality level, the A4's will be much smaller...
(three angry black dots streaking over the sky)
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Eventually all types of enemy will be added.


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#3810716 - 07/17/13 03:08 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
i seeing one thing in middle of missile
i sign it with red mark
what is it ?





Screws and bolts connecting metallic parts of missile body.
What else could be ? Where are you rotating? smile2

#3810775 - 07/17/13 04:54 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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It looks to be a the 'key' that prevents the missile body rotating while in the launch tube - look to the left of the image.
Remember that the fins rotate compared to the rocket body.

#3810789 - 07/17/13 05:36 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
It looks to be a the 'key' that prevents the missile body rotating while in the launch tube - look to the left of the image.


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#3810794 - 07/17/13 05:45 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
It looks to be a the 'key' that prevents the missile body rotating while in the launch tube - look to the left of the image.
Remember that the fins rotate compared to the rocket body.



The missile starts rotating after it is locked in range from MSR (missile sighting radar) which happens when the missile is at least 30-50 m and the aft fins have fully unfolded.After this the computer starts creating k1 and k2 commands who actually force missile to rotate (rolling).

#3810799 - 07/17/13 05:51 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Do not miss leaded by the two tunnels which end up to the aft fins.
These are protective caps for wirings and waveguides of rear antennas of missile .

#3810803 - 07/17/13 05:58 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: farokh
hpasp... would u introduce OSA missile to us correctly ????

i love to know more information about this missile !


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/ebooks/Osa(1991).djvu
page 177..187


Detailed cutaway photos...










These pics are very useful ...

#3810832 - 07/17/13 06:43 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Clearly marked as Transportirovanii ~ means 'Shipping' or something akin ~ and still appears to be an anti-rotation key.

(Remember that the aft end support is likely to be not 'stable' or intended for both load bearing and fixing the orientation of the body in the tube. Given the requirement to maintain connections to the launcher it probably isn't a great idea to have the missile rotating in the tube ~ damage to the connectors and/or waveguides is a possibility if more than a trivial amount of movement was permitted...)

#3810842 - 07/17/13 06:57 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
Clearly marked as Transportirovanii ~ means 'Shipping' or something akin ~ and still appears to be an anti-rotation key.


I would appreciate if you can point with an arrow or with something else which exactly part of the missile you are talking about, because bay be a have misunderstand you .

#3810847 - 07/17/13 07:10 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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The ten or eleven projections on the skin, as marked on the earlier image. These are immediately aft of the cutout with the red (inert warhead?).

#3810852 - 07/17/13 07:14 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
The ten or eleven projections on the skin, as marked on the earlier image. These are immediately aft of the cutout with the red (inert warhead?).


You mean this part?


This is where the missile can be opened, and the warhead can be loaded/unloaded.


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#3810873 - 07/17/13 07:40 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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If this is (pic 1) what we are talking about, yes it is a locker inside the canister ,see pic 2



#3810890 - 07/17/13 08:13 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Ok, so 'most' are merely latches that attach warhead to propulsion, but 'several' also key to the launch cannister - each is also present as a female 'notch' in the interior of the transport can that can be seen in the smaller image the questioner referred to.

#3810892 - 07/17/13 08:24 PM Re: OSA work in progress screenshots... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp



f=500mm narrow (zoom in) view of an F-4 Phantom at 3km range.
(now he is already finished his bombing run on us)
Click to reveal..



How about better resolution in "zoom in" KARAT mode? it could be dependable of certain distance for every type of target (bigger or smaller)? Is this possible or too much load for the engine?

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