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#3804100 - 07/02/13 07:23 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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1580 pieces; 3.86 grams each...

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#3804133 - 07/02/13 08:05 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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1580 pieces; 3.86 grams each...


Is that for OSA warhead ???

#3804140 - 07/02/13 08:14 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap

Is that for OSA warhead ???


I guess so, but it is probably for 9M33 missile (OSA-M).... Unfortunately, the man, who created those drawings passed away two months ago.... sigh

#3804149 - 07/02/13 08:27 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Is that for OSA warhead ???


I guess so, but it is probably for 9M33 missile (OSA-M).... Unfortunately, the man, who created those drawings passed away two months ago.... sigh


I am sorry for that gay.!

Technically wise is impossible to have the proximity fuse in front only and expect to destroy a target with 15 kgr warhead with side blast !
This happen with semi active missiles ( I know about hawk) with massive warheads and side fuse antennas .
In OSA case the fuse cone and blast cone ,coincide.

Watch closely that video ,frame by frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruKO3ZyKC-w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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#3804156 - 07/02/13 08:42 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap
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Is that for OSA warhead ???


I guess so, but it is probably for 9M33 missile (OSA-M).... Unfortunately, the man, who created those drawings passed away two months ago.... sigh


I am sorry for that gay.!

Technically wise is impossible to have the proximity fuse in front only and expect to destroy a target with 15 kgr warhead with side blast !
This happen with semi active missiles ( I know about hawk) with massive warheads and side fuse antennas .
In OSA case the fuse cone and blast cone ,coincide.


This is his drawing for the radiofuse cone:



On this and previous drawing, the dotted line represents the area of the fragment dispersion in dynamic (when missile's speed added 500/m/s), on the previous - continuous line - when the missile (warhead) is static....

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#3804166 - 07/02/13 09:04 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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Is that for OSA warhead ???


I guess so, but it is probably for 9M33 missile (OSA-M).... Unfortunately, the man, who created those drawings passed away two months ago.... sigh


I am sorry for that gay.!

Technically wise is impossible to have the proximity fuse in front only and expect to destroy a target with 15 kgr warhead with side blast !
This happen with semi active missiles ( I know about hawk) with massive warheads and side fuse antennas .
In OSA case the fuse cone and blast cone ,coincide.


This is his drawing for the radiofuse cone:



On this and previous drawing, the dotted line represents the area of the fragment dispersion in dynamic (when missile's speed added 500/m/s), on the previous - continuous line - when the missile (warhead) is static....


Most probaly (i guess) he was tring to explain the gap between the moment of detonation vs the velocity of the target.
This has been solved in OSA missiles, by introducing an appropriate delay of detonation (in order the missile to come closer to the target and detonate) for helicopters and receding targets.

#3804385 - 07/03/13 10:34 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap


Most probaly (i guess) he was tring to explain the gap between the moment of detonation vs the velocity of the target.
This has been solved in OSA missiles, by introducing an appropriate delay of detonation (in order the missile to come closer to the target and detonate) for helicopters and receding targets.


His drawings are in a relations with a tragical incident during exercises in USSR Pacific NAVY (OSA-MA failed to destroy antiship missile, which after been damaged by gunfire, suddently changes it's course and hits the shooting ship). One of the reasons for the accident is that OSA-MA was loaded with older 9M33 missiles, instead of the newer verson, that's why I think those drawings are relative for the 9M33 missile...
Note that in the last image, the blue cone of radiofuse is within dotted line of fragments dynamic area...


As per delay in detonation - it was introduced in later missiles (M/M2, probably), to counter early detonations due ground proximity (that's what I found in I-net)... screwy

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#3804396 - 07/03/13 11:18 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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As per delay in detonation - it was introduced in later missiles (M/M2, probably), to counter early detonations due ground proximity (that's what I found in I-net)... screwy


Nop.This is not truth.

The delay detonation is huge improvement of OSA system, for engaging helicopters and receding targets.

The ground effect possible detonation and thus the OSA missile not to go lower than 25 m was solved to OSA akm model ,introducing new trajectory of missile higher from the line sight of TTR (zoom climb mode-part of method Fi).

Hope I helped a litle... smile2

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#3804554 - 07/03/13 04:30 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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By the way,we have spoken so much for the OSA missiles and it is the only part of the system which actually never see it in Samsim ( I mean the specific and detailed issues that we discuss). Hpasp will do the fine job and we will just push the red button (I think), or not ... winkngrin

PS: you are all invited to my promotion party, from junior I become member... hick

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#3804578 - 07/03/13 05:16 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3804615 - 07/03/13 06:44 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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What is this? rolleyes

#3804626 - 07/03/13 07:00 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: ePap]  
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Thought it is from OSA-M, but could be wrong... sigh

#3804669 - 07/03/13 08:22 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thought it is from OSA-M, but could be wrong... sigh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_destroyer_Admiral_Vinogradov
Naval Tor? (Kinzhal)

This ship was on peacekeeping mission at Persian Gulf sept.1992 - jan.1993 and nov.1993 - mar.1994


#3804679 - 07/03/13 08:46 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: montieris]  
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Originally Posted By: montieris

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_destroyer_Admiral_Vinogradov
Naval Tunguska / Tor ? (Kashtan / Kinzhal)

this ship was on peacekeeping mission on Persian gulf till 23 may 1993


Thank you, Montieris! It looks like it must be SA-N-9 Gauntlet... thumbsup

#3804690 - 07/03/13 09:12 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: piston79]  
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_destroyer_Admiral_Vinogradov
Naval Tunguska / Tor ? (Kashtan / Kinzhal)

this ship was on peacekeeping mission on Persian gulf till 23 may 1993


Thank you, Montieris! It looks like it must be SA-N-9 Gauntlet... thumbsup


I never saw a consol like this in a TOR !

#3804782 - 07/04/13 01:09 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Kashtan? ~ this is one of those vessels also fitted with CADS-N-1... and if it isn't Kinzhal (SAN-9)...?

(The bevel looks very similar to the far left screen on the Tunguska panel FWIW)

#3805483 - 07/05/13 08:33 PM OSA work in progress video released... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3805506 - 07/05/13 09:10 PM Re: OSA work in progress video released... [Re: Hpasp]  
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sa-8 is complete ! why u dont release it !
PS: i cant seen explosive wave in this video!

hpasp please ! the system is ready ! dont waste the time !
please think about us ! we are Thirsty of new system in samsim
sicko

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#3805635 - 07/06/13 05:22 AM Re: OSA work in progress video released... [Re: Hpasp]  
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Oh, I never knew the SA-8 was made by Microsoft. Look at the lower left corner biggrin

#3805647 - 07/06/13 07:06 AM Re: OSA work in progress video released... [Re: Hpasp]  
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ePAP, what do you say? Did you checked the video??? wink

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