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#3798228 - 06/17/13 11:34 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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#3798230 - 06/17/13 11:37 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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#3798262 - 06/18/13 01:53 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Why doesn't Graviteam make DLCs about the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan (1979-1989).Wouldn't there be more material and more substantive gameplay than some obscure border conflict that lasted a few days .Or even about Vietnam or the Korean war since Soviet weapons were significantly present in both conflicts?

#3798315 - 06/18/13 04:29 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Well they did tackle Afghanistan in SABOW. But in the end you have a MEGA military power agaisnt a bunch of farmer/goat herders. Vietnam is in simular place......if focusing on US vs NVA/viet cong. If focued more on ARVN VS NVA in the last year could be more interesting I think. Korea....ya that could be interesting. Oh look, soldiers of CHINA here. HMMMMMM Just need US at minimum.... And some late/post ww2 toys. IMO taking Korean war on IMO should be a stand alone game. DLC in the current size, well not so sure about that. BUT that all depends on WHEN and WHERE in Korea. Actually the 1st fighting in 1950 could be vary interesting. M24 chaffee's VS T34-85 sort of insane. Of course no China in the mix then.

#3798336 - 06/18/13 07:13 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: frinik22]  
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Originally Posted By: frinik22
Why doesn't Graviteam make DLCs about the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan (1979-1989).Wouldn't there be more material and more substantive gameplay than some obscure border conflict that lasted a few days .Or even about Vietnam or the Korean war since Soviet weapons were significantly present in both conflicts?


Because it is a topic for a separate game or may be several, and not for the DLCs.

#3798389 - 06/18/13 12:18 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Originally Posted By: andrey12345


Because it is a topic for a separate game or may be several, and not for the DLCs.


Really!? biggrin Soviet-Afghan or do you mean the other conflicts?

I'd love a proper game about the Soviet-Afghan war! Despite the fact that, as Flashburn pointed out it was rather one sided on paper, there is still plenty of evidence and material for some great battles.

"Bear went over the mountain" and it's sister (brother?) book "Other side of the mountain" contain dozens of battle reports alone, and I'm sure there are many many more out there to be created.
I did enjoy the Soviet-Afghan campaign in SABOW but it felt very difficult and at times dull, from the position of the tank only...

Anyway enough rambling, this is about Zhalanashkol, and personally I'll be looking forward to it - While it's a small border conflict it could be quite fun as you'd have very limited resources and as it'll be closely modelled on the real conflict (down to names of commanders) we can try to recreate it perfectly and go the other extreme and give it a completely different outcome.
Careful planning and a new way of fighting would be required (one would imagine).

Will have to see what content is available and how it compares to the price tag though - At the end of the day I have a lot of GTOS to play so I'll have to see if I can justify buying another DLC before finishing the others. :P

#3798422 - 06/18/13 01:17 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Ya for DLC I can see a Soviet afgan campaign. But honestly that was more of a patrol around get shot at thing. Not so fun in a game. But it is DLC material if there ever was. As for SABOWs afgan campaign. Overall I liked it. Made a great intro into sabow as you could screw up and still come out ok due to being in a TANK.

#3798442 - 06/18/13 01:57 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Wish they'd go back and finish east front WW2..at least some early war and then late war games...instead of roughly set in '43. It seems unlikely Graviteam will make a game where Russians aren't involved like Africa or Crete (paradrops) WW2...

#3798448 - 06/18/13 02:09 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: Wodin]  
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Originally Posted By: Wodin
Wish they'd go back and finish east front WW2..at least some early war and then late war games...instead of roughly set in '43. It seems unlikely Graviteam will make a game where Russians aren't involved like Africa or Crete (paradrops) WW2...


They are not going anywhere, the sequel will be dedicated in any case to WWII on the Eastern front. Just-scale operations require a lot of misc content, it does not suit on the DLC.

#3798716 - 06/19/13 02:04 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Wish they'd go back and finish east front WW2..at least some early war and then late war games...instead of roughly set in '43. It seems unlikely Graviteam will make a game where Russians aren't involved like Africa or Crete (paradrops) WW2...


Well the Soviets were not directly involved in the Iraq-Iran war yet Graviteam made a sim out of it so there's hope.
It's true that the Soviet-Afghan war of 1979 does not involve any tank battles per se but they could recreate some of the counter-insurgency ops the Soviets undertook with armour support to flush out the so-called freedom fighters aka terrorists-in-the-making/Mujahhadeen...

The late war period in Vietnam, 1973-1975, involves quite a few good tank battles between the NVA and the SVA...

#3798724 - 06/19/13 02:38 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Originally Posted By: andrey12345
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I think PLA's personal equipment is wrong.
No "Y" sam browne belt.

Let me tell you something about type 65 uniform.

From 1966 - 1976, PLA must wear Chairman Mao Badge.









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#3798729 - 06/19/13 03:01 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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There are some pics about 1980's PLA, still wear type 65 uniform, no Chairman Mao Badge, you can clear find just some haversack.




and some pics of models







#3798816 - 06/19/13 12:06 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: rostov]  
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Originally Posted By: rostov
I think PLA's personal equipment is wrong.


Its a basic model without any equipment.

#3799205 - 06/20/13 01:54 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Their uniforms were really antiquated. They remind me of the Japanese one from WWII even the helmet...When you look at the PLA nowadays you can tell they've come a long way.

#3799206 - 06/20/13 01:55 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Their uniforms were really antiquated. They remind me of the Japanese ones from WWII even the helmet...When you look at the PLA nowadays you can tell they've come a long way.

#3799242 - 06/20/13 03:59 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: frinik22]  
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It is a very complex process,

1950-1954, type 50 uniform.



1955-1957, type 55 uniform

It is very similar with Soviet uniform.





1958-1964, type 58 and 62unform.

I think they are revised versionsof type 55 uniform ; use collar badge to show the rank ,abandon epaulet and tricorn; restore liberation hat which was used from 1946-1949.






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#3799249 - 06/20/13 04:17 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: frinik22]  
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Originally Posted By: frinik22
They remind me of the Japanese ones from WWII even the helmet...When you look at the PLA nowadays you can tell they've come a long way.


Helmet is also very complex.

PLA did not have Chinese helmet before GK80 hemlet which was equiped in 1980, but have more types of foreign helmets which were captured from foreign and domestic enemy.

Japanese type 90 and 98 hemlet, huge quantity and very suitable for Asian, so PLA use them until 2000!.

US M1 hemlet.

British MK2 hemlet

French Adrian hemlet.

Germany M35 hemlet.

Here is an interesting pic shot during the civil war, can you find how many kinds of hemlet did that PLA shock force wear?


#3799290 - 06/20/13 09:09 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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PLA soldiers at Zhalanashkol
http://magazine.asiakz.com/images/magazine/100/full_92.jpg

No any helmets, or special equipment. This case wiil be in DLC.

#3799321 - 06/20/13 11:25 AM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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Originally Posted By: andrey12345
PLA soldiers at Zhalanashkol
http://magazine.asiakz.com/images/magazine/100/full_92.jpg
No any helmets, or special equipment. This case wiil be in DLC.


Yes, it is very interesting, press seemed did not like to take pictures of PLA with hemlet from 1949 - 1979, it is true that many infantry units do not wear hemlet during China-Vietnam board conflict because of veterans' memories.

Many newspaper and magazine said that PLA want to emphasize courage those years and hemlet means cowardice in a way, who knows. confused

#3799333 - 06/20/13 12:03 PM Re: GTOS Zhalanashkol 1969 (USSR-China border conflict) [Re: andrey12345]  
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I do not dispute the existence and the use of helmets and other equipment in the PLA smile. Just to avoid any undue expectations I'm doing clarity that will be in DLC. Unfortunately so far no Russian-speaking or English-speaking community are not interested in this DLC, and the PLA in particular. It is sad that instead of a new little-known people are interested in the well-known and well-thumbed in thousands of other games.

But of course your posts are very interesting!

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