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#379712 - 03/30/01 05:04 PM Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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I am having a real frame rate problem with 2.5. It seems that texture memory is not releasing as a mission progress and eventually the mission grinds down to 1 fps. To clear it I hit ALT Q and then cancel to return to the game. Has anyone else seen this. I have a p666 with tnt2 and 32 megs. 128 megs on the system. Who can I talk to about this. Thanks.

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#379713 - 03/30/01 06:47 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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My fps has taken a good hit as well, but no answers on how to make them better. I have actually switched back to 2.03a for my 25-33 fps. Bummer, I really liked the new explosion effects! Oh and that flyable MIG-29k too. Ho-Hummm

#379714 - 03/30/01 08:32 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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I can confirm that. I have 933mhz, Geforce2 (using latest drivers) setup and although the framerate is more than acceptable it has taken a big hit.

BTW is any1 having problems selecting outside views (F2,F3,F4) in some of the missions in the 2.5 mission folder?

..and flashing screens in the mission builder?


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#379715 - 03/30/01 08:39 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Does this slowdown also occur in single flight, or only with many objects in the scenery? I'm asking this because I have tested only single flight. I have a Voodoo2-card and a PII350. It runs smooth as silk!

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#379716 - 03/30/01 08:42 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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This is contrary to my own experience and that of many posters. Please be sure you're comparing apples to apples in regards to mission complexity, using DX8 would be a good bet, and make sure you're using up-to-date drivers. I'm simply not seeing any decrease in fps from 2.03a to 2.5.

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#379717 - 03/30/01 09:06 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Yea...I have no problem O what so ever running this sim...Hell a buddy and I flew last night online, he on a dial-up me on cable and I have to tell yas...it was smooth as silk..I would have to say that was the smoothest mp game (othere than a FPS like quake/HL) that I ever played...there was no lag at all....did some dogfighting with some F-15s,F-14s, and some SU-27s and had a frikN blast

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#379718 - 03/30/01 09:40 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Sorry to report, a BIG frame hit..
and it seems to be slowing down, then speeding up, slowing down, spee..well, you get it.
If I did a scan around while paused, a la EECH, it seemed to help a little bit with the texture loading, but not enough to make it a good flight..
I couldn't get outside views in the Mig.
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#379719 - 03/30/01 09:53 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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I used to get what i can only describe as texture creeping,after running certain games for a while it used to go into jerko mode,constantly accessing hard disk but seemingly not able to keep up with the graphics. I cured this by opening system.ini file in Windows directory.Look for [vcache] in list and put after it minfilecache=0 then underneath that put maxfilecache=32768 (thats for comp with 128 meg of ram,apparently its best to have maxfilecache no more than quarter of your ram.Then save file and reboot ,this cured problem on my comp.Aparently windows on some systems keeps hogging memory until it seems to cause probs with certain setups.2 games i had probs with this were Motocross Madness 2 and Ultima 9.Maybe this will work with your Flanker 2 problem,it sounds similar

#379720 - 03/30/01 09:55 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Minimal to no changes here on 2 machines P3 1Gig V5500 and P3500E @667 TNT2 Vanilla. I don't use the new windows interface as that seemed to Tank the V5500's FPS and no FSAA as well.


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#379721 - 03/31/01 01:58 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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well i don't really get a framerate hit, but it seems prone to refuse any input soon after beginning of a moderately complex mission. also, when building those, the editor tends to ctd on me
my system is a non-overclocked PIII@700Mhz, 256Mb, Voodoo5 5500
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#379722 - 03/31/01 10:33 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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I too have difficulty accessing exterior views in some of the 2.5 missions with the mig 29 with F2, etc.... Also have the problem with a flashing screen at the map interface. The map diassappears as soon as i move the mouse leaving the pale blue screen although the aircraft tracks remain. Once the mouse is left alone the map re-appears. Guess what - Geforce 2 ultra with the latest offical drivers. (with PIII 700, 256 MB ram, nothing overclocked) Frame rate seems OK but I've only been in missions with, I guess, reletively few objects. Planning my own missions is a bit difficult if you can't see the map. Incidently, other than that the basic upgrade is terrific.

#379723 - 03/31/01 02:43 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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merlinuk1:

I think not being able to access exterior views in some of the 2.5 missions is becourse the mission creator disable those external views in order to make them more realistic or provide some surprice elements.
To enable external views go to mission editor>customisze>skill, and uncheck DISABLE EXTERNAL VIEW.

#379724 - 03/31/01 03:41 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Originally posted by merlinuk1:
I too have difficulty accessing exterior views in some of the 2.5 missions with the mig 29 with F2, etc.... Also have the problem with a flashing screen at the map interface. The map diassappears as soon as i move the mouse leaving the pale blue screen although the aircraft tracks remain. Once the mouse is left alone the map re-appears. Guess what - Geforce 2 ultra with the latest offical drivers. (with PIII 700, 256 MB ram, nothing overclocked) Frame rate seems OK but I've only been in missions with, I guess, reletively few objects. Planning my own missions is a bit difficult if you can't see the map. Incidently, other than that the basic upgrade is terrific.


If you are a GeForce owner and you have the issue with the flashing screen, go into your control panel (start -> settings -> control panel) and click on Game Control (or Game Options for the DX 8+ crowd). Go to the controller ID tab and go to the bottom where there is the "poll with interrupts" check box. Click on it to change it the current option and restart your machine. That should fix the problem. This was a fix that was posted for Falcon 4.0 and it should work in this case also.

#379725 - 03/31/01 05:16 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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For the slow down...speed up problem any of you ever tried turning off 32-bit to see if goes away?

#379726 - 03/31/01 08:01 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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I get the "lagging" landscape too, additionally the general framerate has decreased, although it remains constant. Some other thing that worries me, is that an option PCI-textures is present in the options menue, although I use a Ge-Force2MX! I'm not sure if this was the case in 2.0 (I correctly downloaded the non-voodoo-version of 2.5 form http://www.escaudron111.com and uninstalled 2.0 before upgrading).

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Should run ok on it, shouldn't it?

#379727 - 03/31/01 09:31 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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With 2.03 I was getting 15-20 fps.With 2.5 I can get around 15 fps if i'm out over water and there's not any land visible,but when any land does become visible the frame rates drop down to 3 fps.

Right now I have all settings the lowest they can go and there's no increase in fps.

#379728 - 04/01/01 01:10 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Am I the only one not having problems? In fact, my framerates have improved a bit!!

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#379729 - 04/01/01 07:48 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Mine have improved as well, very smooth

Athlon 1ghz
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(yeah,yeah it was smooth before, but thought i would add something, LOL)

#379730 - 04/01/01 11:53 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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My framerates have improved a lot over the last version, and no flickering in map mode and very stable.
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#379731 - 04/01/01 02:21 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Using p2-no control of aircraft in400 256 pc100 v55500.
1.No control of aircraft in 2.5 missions.Igot to look at the aircraft from the outside but couldn't fly them.
2.Sim goes slideshow when I lock on to target in air to ground instant action,but smooth as silk in air to air mode.

#379732 - 04/01/01 06:01 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Seems like a split take on the frame rates.

My vote is definatly down as I can run it on identical machines side by side.

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#379733 - 04/01/01 07:10 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Update:
I disabled 32 bit mode, and came out of the Windows interface.
Fps are back to normal (just about), but hang on a minute, I have a GeForce2 Ultra, 256, Duron 750@810...shouldn't I be able to run in 32 bit if I want to?

The fps does slow down, but a quick double press of 'S' sorts that out. Is this what they call a memory leak?


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#379734 - 04/01/01 10:05 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Now I'm getting it too! But only after a while. A mission that is running smooth in the first time, can drop to 3 fps in the second time. Or I'm flying around some time, and suddenly the frame rate drops! Rebooting the system helps here in most cases. If you ask me I would say that this is a memory leak!

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#379735 - 04/02/01 11:35 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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post by ELITE 149 on http://www.flanker2.com forum:

in your ssi\flanker2.0\ dir, there are two .dll files called Msvcrt.dll and Mfc42.dll.

these are older than the .dlls in your windows\system dir.

SOLUTION: copy the two dlls from your windows\system folder and overwrite the two in your ssi\flanker2.0 dir.

my two dll files' version (the one in your windows\system dir) is:

Msvcrt.dll - 6.10.8482.0
Mfc42.dll - 6.00.8665.0

these are the versions i'm running with now (the new ones)

happy hunting!!

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#379736 - 04/02/01 11:51 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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moving around europe...
you can even get the newest versions of these files on HAM's site (adress is in elite 149's post), you can copy them in your flanker and your windows directory (for the windows directory you'll need to do it in DOS mode), it works great

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#379737 - 04/03/01 03:08 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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I'm glad to hear that it wasn't just me taking a big frame hit. Much like Stewie, I was experiencing the slow down every few seconds in external view and when I went to the cockpit, it was a slideshow. Flanker 2.03 was flawless for me, even in 4xFSAA with all settings maxed out with the exception of greenery density (med). After installing 2.5 is when the problem started...I reduced the setttings in the game and switched to 2xFSAA and it was a little better, but still was experiencing the same problem. I have no idea how it could be related, but now in EECH, the framerate has dropped too. I haven't tried swapping the dll files as suggested, but will give that a shot and see what happens.

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#379738 - 04/03/01 04:12 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Is it possible that we are talking about completely different things? K6, do I understand you right that the frame rate hit occurs ALWAYS, even after a reboot and at the beginning in the first mission when you switch to the external view? As I have already stated above, I get the frame rate hit only after some time of flying. And then in ALL views! Must be something different!

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#379739 - 04/03/01 11:27 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Hmmm, did some testing now! Was able to play some short 1v1, everything was smooth. Then I loaded the A2A-refuel training mission. Took over the control immediately. Still smooth. When I was within one mile behind the tanker I hit 'r' to activate the refuel probe. Now it happend! Must have been around 3 fps! Hit 's' to pause, waited 10-15 seconds and continued. Still the same! A slideshow! I quit the mission and fired up another training mission (anti radar). Everything was smooth, all the time. I started the refueling mission again, and as I came closer to the tanker the fps dropped again to 2-3 fps. Again I've aborted the mission and started a single mission 1v1. Everything was smooth, but after two or three minutes the fps dropped down a little bit. Now I've restarted F2 without rebooting. I loaded the A2A-refueling again and now everything was fine! Refueled my bird successfully and landed it on the airbase! Well, that's weird! And yes, I have installed the dll's!

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#379740 - 04/03/01 11:44 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Grrrr.....
well, after the Dll change I don't have the terrain lag anymore, but I still have LOW fps.
I mean, down to 7, and 9!....hmmm....mebbe if I blink fast it'll be ok? hehehe


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#379741 - 04/04/01 05:19 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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moving around europe...
ahve you tried to put the latest drivers? (er...maybe that one was already pointed out )

#379742 - 04/04/01 06:33 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Check...
I changed from 11.00 to 6.5, 'cos NFS5 didn't like the 11.00
I went back up to 10.8,
Then I thought, sod it, Just put the official 6.5s in. So thats what I have in now. Any recommendations anyone?


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#379743 - 04/04/01 08:53 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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I'm in deep deep trouble with the graphic lag problem. Installed the dll's. Ahh, fine, Mouse works now fine in game menus. Jumped into the MiG. Eeehh, still jerky and jumping graphics. My girlfriend called me on the phone. I was starring at the screen (burning ship, smoke billowing like a slideshow). She was talking and talking. And after 20 mins or so the smoke suddenly rose up in the air gently and fluently like in 2.03. Aaahhh yeah. Told her that I had to do something important. Into the MiG and ..... yes here we go. Better than 2.03

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#379744 - 04/05/01 06:52 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Hi pilots.
I'm also experiencing problems with the framerate.I saw Dali's reply and I am wondering what the address to HAM's site is.
I would also like if someone good in computers could write a description of how to copy the dll's into the windows directory in DOS mode?!
Waiting hopefully !!!

Over and out....

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#379745 - 04/05/01 08:30 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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This assumes you have copied the files to your c:\temp directory. This should work for win9X but I dunno about WinME.

Restart your machine and start tapping F8 till you see a black screen with 8 options.

Select, "start computer in MS DOS mode"

At your C: prompt, type:

copy c:\temp\XXX.dll c:\windows\

Where XXX is the filename.

When asked to overwrite, say yes.

Note: If you were not warned of overwritting the file, it because the fileis not at destination folder. Probably means you had the wrong path specified. I this case, make note of the destination path and type:

del c:\xxxx where xxxx=destination path and filename. i.e c:\windows\xxx.dll

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#379746 - 04/06/01 08:09 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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Make a backup of your old files first!!!

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#379747 - 04/06/01 11:48 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Thanks for the help Barron and Nico!
But I don't know where to get the newest versions of msvcrt.dll and Mfc42.dll. I checked the product version, and those in the system dir. were of older versions...
Toocool_12f wrote:"you can even get the newest versions of these files on HAM's site (address is in elite 149's post)..."
I don't know the address to this site, and would like to get it .

Over and out.......

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#379748 - 04/06/01 01:24 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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#379749 - 04/06/01 03:36 PM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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Thanks Stewie !
I'm sure flanker 2.5 will go smooth as silk now.
I would very much like to to join multiplayergames. I'm only a client, so if anyone have got an ip I'll be there!!!

Watch your tail... !!

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#379750 - 04/08/01 05:34 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  

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In the mist of my first couple of flights with good frame rates, I'd like to share something.

I noticed that I had real poor frame rates in the cockpit. After many hours of tweaking, I discovered that turning off the cockpit mirrors relieves 99% of the problem with the frame rates. It went from a steady 4 FPS to about 20-25 FPS for my setup (Celeron 433, 224 MB RAM, Voodoo 4 4500, DirectX 8.0a, the up-to-date versions of msvcrt.dll and mfc40.dll, almost all the texture settings except for object texture at medium settings). If I hit the "M" or "N" key to pan up to see the mirrors, then the FPS would drop down to the 3-4 FPS range again to return when the key was released.

Other than that, this is worth the time to download. F***ing awesome work.

#379751 - 04/09/01 08:02 AM Re: Frame rate poor in 2.5  
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I disabled MipMaping in Flanker 2.5 yesterday and that did the job. Now the game runs absolutely smooth with cockpit mirrors and most of the options maxed out.
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