One thing that worries me is that it seems that things that get sold to Syria sometimes end up in Israel

I do not really believe, that there exist any capability of the S-300PMU, that is unknown to the West or Israel.

S-300PMU - yes, but how about S-300PMU-2? It is a bit different, actually closer to S-400 in some aspects than to original S-300PS.

Misfire:



And Hpasp's favorite:

Nope, this is the S-300PM/PMU1 (SA-20A), while my favorite is the S-300PS/PMU (SA-10B).

It looks same to me from inside...

Ahhh my heart!

(like comparing Volhov to Vega...)

S-300PS/PMU Volhov-M6 (SA-10B)




S-300PM/PMU1 Volhov-M6M (SA-20A)

I am sorry, but I guess I am more vintage fan...

By the way an old bug reappeared (again found by Max2012)...

Here: http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/TiVOut0507/ZRPtr/ZRPtr001.htm

About MIM-104 Patriot (russian speakers only)....

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/gao/im92026.htm

I dont recall if this has been posted here yet.

It's a doc about Patriots' fail to intercept SCUD in 91

Thank you!

Japanesse S-300:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_3_Ch%C5%AB-SAM

I think this discussion belongs to this topic.




Agree, havent seen TOR using this "angle/range mode"


This one is naval Tor (Kinzhal) (way different panels/screens, also cant see screen like above)


And this one is console of AK630 on this ship, (possibly use of this mode, but cant see screen like above)


So mystery continues..

Most russian sources write that only Udaloy-class II Admiral Chabanenko have Kashtan.

Indeed, screen in Tunguska is quite similar.

Interesting article...
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

The Adm Vinogradov is indeed a Udaloy I, so shouldn't have/had Kashtan ~ the only images of her are from before late 1992, so there may have been changes under a test-program to fit with the paper description and date (one year later?) Never read anything about it though, so isn't likely ~ I'd have expected to find confirmation of her upgrade if it had taken place.

Puzzling.

Mistery solved:



15 minute, 20 seconds...


P.S.

Any ideas who did this to poor "Etandard"?:

All I have is "SAM", 199404151525 (unclear if Zulu or local) over Bosnia, Etendard IVP reconnaisance, hit at 1500m 325KIAS. Recovered to Clemenceau without flaps. That might be enough (should be) to reconcile with Bosnian records/SAM types...

More info, apparently vicinity Goradze...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umYjVBQYKno (Recovery)

Comments indicate MANPAD, but it could be a larger tactical SAM (~ looks 'more' extensive and less localised damage than A4 hits by SA7 types...
Another page suggests SA-14 but I don't know if that was in the local service?

http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t4877-dassault-aviation-etendard-iv