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#3780085 - 05/09/13 11:03 PM Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years  
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Interesting...seems the opposite with all the media outlets these days:


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#3780088 - 05/09/13 11:15 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Interesting information.

I had no idea, and I blame....'me', for that.
We are so easily led.

Or at least it appears I am.
I had no idea, just watching the news outlets, listening to the hype.
And I never thought to actually, look at the numbers.

Guess it's a "Look over here"...thing.

So you don't..."Look over there".... wink

Interesting, I thank you for that sir.
My fault for not knowing it.


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#3780103 - 05/10/13 12:23 AM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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#3780115 - 05/10/13 12:59 AM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Murphy]  
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Originally Posted By: Murphy
Interesting information.

I had no idea, and I blame....'me', for that.
We are so easily led.

Or at least it appears I am.
I had no idea, just watching the news outlets, listening to the hype.
And I never thought to actually, look at the numbers.

Guess it's a "Look over here"...thing.

So you don't..."Look over there".... wink

Interesting, I thank you for that sir.
My fault for not knowing it.



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#3780122 - 05/10/13 02:12 AM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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One very common misconception is that violent crime (and most crime) is up more than it used to be, when actually it's been trending way down now for about 5 years:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

It doesn't fit with the 'End-times are a Coming!' narrative so the actual data tends to just get ignored. Maybe LEO's should get a bonus? smile

Also, fun fact - 60% of gun fatalities are suicides which never seems to get declared properly in the stats..

#3780337 - 05/10/13 03:32 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Just a tad bit of irony here. We can see why the news only really publicizes bad news...here we have a thread showing some actual good news...and nobody cares. Only 3 folks responded. It's like "Nothing to see or respond to here...move along". I guess we can't really criticize the media for exploiting the bad stuff...the lack of interest in this thread just shows they know what their doing.


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#3780338 - 05/10/13 03:37 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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It is good news! But mass shootings are up...


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#3780342 - 05/10/13 03:43 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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#3780346 - 05/10/13 03:47 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Bad news sells better than good news and the media knows this well.


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#3780370 - 05/10/13 04:46 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted By: "PanzerMeyer"
Bad news sells better than good news and the media knows this well.


There is a point in here. I know people love to bash the media for being crap, biased and sensationalistic and so on, but in my opinion the media isn't fully to blame for it. They need to be profitable and that puts a lot of pressure on the editors and reporters to no longer just report on stories but to sell stories.
Add to this dilemma the current state of the internet, in which people can easily go to sources like blogs or news aggregators which suits their political viewpoints the best. Conservatives prefer news sources with a conservative bias and liberal sources with a liberal bias.
This leads to a segregation of viewership and readers and forces news outlets, which were considered balanced and fact driven in the past, to either pick a side or compensate with oversimplified and sensationalized stories to attract lost viewers/readers.
In todays climate stories that are truly fact driven and fully unbiaed are quickly shot down as either boring or are attacked by special interest groups who don't want people to know all the facts.

Long story short. Unless people change their behavior and start supporting true unbiased journalism again this situation will continue and probably will get even worse.

#3780380 - 05/10/13 05:08 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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This is what the news would look like, the mundane things that happen every minute of every day far eclipse the insanity people want to know about:

City allocates budget for repainting the parking lot divider wall at 5th and Maple streets.

Jim and Lisa Farnsworth on Grove and Bell street have refinanced a second mortgage.

The McDonald's at the freeway exchange entrance on Main Street has hired a new assistant manager, Julie Smith.

No one cares. No one will spend their time listening to that static. There's other things in competition with these non-stories, that's what you're going to get.

People complain about the sensationalism, but they tune in while they complain. The question is whether it's a chicken and the egg thing- is the media responding to consumer demand, or is the media shaping it. Maybe it's both, kind of like a Yin/Yang relationship.







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#3780386 - 05/10/13 05:28 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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I read the article in that link, which has a political angle on it- clearly a position against Obama's policies.

So, in the interest of objective neutrality, which should be no problem for everyone, because I know everyone here is objective and capable of being rational, both political parties have done whatever they can to feed the fire.

They might point at different causes and factors, but both of them have told you that crazy people are out to get you and your family. There are reasons for that- Be it marijuana or bath salts or drugs in general, be it guns, be it video games, be it the general decline of society and the family, single mothers, homosexuals, secularization, be it television programming, be it the sexualization of mainstream culture. Both sides have done this, meanwhile special interest groups and every kind of private lobby for and against something you can name are also doing it. If anything, we need more of these things- that's the correlation with less violent crime, not more. Think of the children. The children. The children. Protect them by having more of these things.

Having said that, the down-tick in violent crime statistics is an average, some areas will see much more of it than others.


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#3780392 - 05/10/13 05:35 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: ArgonV]  
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Originally Posted By: ArgonV
It is good news! But mass shootings are up...


I think it just gets painted that way. The media thrives on shootings.

I didn't read it all through to judge any bias, but I saw some good tidbits of info here http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/are-mass-shootings-really-on-the-rise/


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#3780396 - 05/10/13 05:48 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Statistics are funny things, and the media is a business. 24 hour news channels and the internet have also made a big difference in consumption, in that you can pick whatever you like to see to be as happy/unhappy as you like.

On average 54 people in the US die every year from lightning strikes. Given the rise of foil hats then I guess this number will go up over time? smile

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#3780398 - 05/10/13 05:51 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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So look at this-

leading causes of death:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Heart Disease number one. Cancer number two.

Yet so many refuse to think that diet and lifestyle having nothing to do with one another, that the food industry is completely safe, that the government in no wise would ever permit harmful products to be sold to the consumer. That the concern over health is associated with nutty and fruity people.

I've heard medical doctors explain that people wrongly assume that heart disease in particular is a 'natural' problem as we age, which is completely wrong. It's due to lifestyle.


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#3780422 - 05/10/13 06:29 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Kontakt5]  
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Originally Posted By: Kontakt5

I've heard medical doctors explain that people wrongly assume that heart disease in particular is a 'natural' problem as we age, which is completely wrong. It's due to lifestyle.


Diet, tobacco use and lack of exercise are no doubt major factors in heart disease but genetics and family history are also major contributing factors.

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#3780424 - 05/10/13 06:40 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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All things being equal, genetics can correlate to someone's potential for it. So if Fred and Ted ate the same, exercised the same, but Ted had a particular genetic predisposition for a weaker metabolism than Fred, Ted is in deeper trouble.

However, heart disease is more of a rich country disease because of diet. People in Vietnam don't generally succumb to heart disease or certain types of cancers the way we do (except smoking related cancers).

If you ate nothing but whole fruits and vegetables, you will not accumulate the plaques that build up in the arteries that we tend to get in the normal American diet.


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#3780432 - 05/10/13 06:56 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Force10]  
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Genetics has a great deal to do with whether or not you get heart disease.
Your diet will also effect it, 'especially' if you are predisposed to heart disease.
If you have the genes in your family....I'd be extra careful about what I ate, and how I monitored my heart.
Exercise and a good diet would be a 'necessity', for any chance at a long life.

But what has all this got to do with the topic?

Someone made a very professional, "Propaganda" move here.....lol.
Talk about 'media manipulation'..... rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: Murphy

But what has all this got to do with the topic?












It's SimHQ. We're famous for derailing threads. biggrin


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#3780437 - 05/10/13 07:04 PM Re: Gun homicides have actually dropped 50% in 20 years [Re: Murphy]  
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Originally Posted By: Murphy
Genetics has a great deal to do with whether or not you get heart disease.
Your diet will also effect it, 'especially' if you are predisposed to heart disease.
If you have the genes in your family....I'd be extra careful about what I ate, and how I monitored my heart.
Exercise and a good diet would be a 'necessity', for any chance at a long life.


Genes is a factor, but more so for us and our Western diets. It would be virtually impossible to die of heart disease if one ate only fruits and vegetables, genetics or not. Just like lung cancer- if you never smoked a cigarette in your life or never lived near a source of air pollution for long enough periods of time, your genes won't matter, you will not die of lung cancer.

Same thing with heart disease and diet. And it's not a weight or overweight thing, either- people at risk are 'skinny fat', or people for whatever reason have thin body types but still have accumulated deposits in their arteries.















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