Hi,

This topic was made for Baur`s KG13 project. Baur is a very talented designer from Russia. He is well known about his clever simulator components like control sticks and pedals within the russian speaking community.
This topic was opened by me to overcome his language barriers. He is using google translate to commucitate in english, what is quite a challange, but his work and pictures tell more than 100 words.

Here are some pics about his ongoing KG13 Steuerknuppel design and production.





Hopefully he will share his work with us here in the future!

MM

Hi all! I have been inspired by the work of VO101MMaister - http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3133178/MMaister_s_KG13A_project.html#Post3133178/url I want to say THANKS to him!!!

I started work two years ago - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629
For a long time collecting drawings and photographs. ON this forum I greatly helped.
Therefore, in gratitude, I will show here the result of the work. It is not completed.

In the future I want to show a lot of interesting things. Especially the end of the work - modular cockpit. For him I do KG13.

It looks fantastic

Thank you!
Later, I'll show you a whiter convenient device for installation KG13.

Details will soon make plastic. I want to ask you for advice. Make an all-black version (V. 1)? Make a black and gray version (V. 2)? It will be better? You can do both options

V. Nº 2 Loocks very good.
Great job Baur!

Great work, Baur.

Will the grip be usable with the Warthog base or the new VKB Black Mamba base? Black Mamba base

I think a standardized joystick connection would be great.

Cheers,

FC

Looks great!

Nr. 1 look more appropriated ("real").

And dot forget Warthog/Mamba compatibility.

Sokol1

Grip get the price a lot of money (220-260 euros). Manufactured little. Myself and the guys that make Kickstarter. Will not a lot - to offer you. This production is commercially disadvantageous

That's unfortunate to hear, I was very interested in your project. If you decide to start a Kickstarter, please let us know!

If you ever want to let out the part files, let me know. I'd love to print a set for myself.

g.

It took me two years to make this model. How to evaluate this work? It was interesting to try.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

g.

I believe Baur was referring to the value of his work which has taken 2 years. If he were to release the files to others for printing on their own, how much should he sell these files, as fair compensation for his work on them? I believe this is what he is saying.

Baur, I am interested in getting one of these for my sim set up. Please let me know when you have one for sale.



My own, original KG13A joystick

Ahh, now I get it!

I'd just like to be able to print a couple for my projects - it wouldn't be for public release or re-sale (unless we came to an agreement about that - I'd be happy to print them for the US market to save duty/shipping costs and pay some royalty percentage to Baur)

g.

CAD design and 3D design is hard work.Took me a week to draw up an F111 main panel in 3D on and off.

Yes, that's right! I do not want to give or sell files stl.
I will make an announcement in this thread. You tell me what color like? I want to make the grip of black and gray-black.
Why do you need my version KG13?
I do not understand - how is that possible?

It was very difficult to come up with the installation of the buttons. Most time was spent on the bomb release. Corrugation on the handle was done in format stl.

I have focus on your progress for long time,so happy to see your KG13 update! and I wander its price cauz I'm very glad to have it if the price is frindly for me
BTW,are you going to offer the kg13 it self or combine with the control Circuit board ;(I wish both )

I continue to work. Some details have already been made​​. But I have no more money to finish. Here you can read the news - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629&start=630
I plan to put my version of KG 13D (game) here on these devices -
1. joystick on the floor - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=704
2. stick under the chair - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758

I'm doing two versions of the painting. And I still need your advice. The hammer of brass painted black? Or leave as is - yellow? It is clear what I'm asking?

The Russians are coming. The Russians are coming.

IL-2. Then DCS, VKB and now BRD. More great engineering.

(Okay, okay. Can't forget Chekov, Solzhenitsyn, Gogol, Tarkovsky, Gagarin...)

Where do we sign up to buy your terrific bit of kit?

Regarding the hammer. Simple brass is less paint, thus cheaper production cost. People who care can paint it themselves.

I suspect most buyers will want historical accuracy.

Have you figured out the spring for the trigger? Usually the spring works well in one direction. Either you flip the trigger from safety with a nice snap or you return it to safety with a snap. My experience is that the trigger cannot go from up and down with the same crisp snap. How did the historical K-13 function? Does anyone know?

Keep up the good work, Baur. Keep us informed of your progress and where you want us to send our rubles.

Cheers,

Flying Colander

These are great people! I am pleased that you are aware of them. I am a very simple guy and could never be the hero.


I stopped accepting applications. A lot of work Do not have time to do. Lot of guys in Russia are waiting for their joysticks and pedals. I can not take more and more orders.

In the process it was found that the trigger is better to make brass Now it looks very elegant - as a gift for the New Year :)))))) For historical accuracy, it should be painted in black color - it is a pity such a beauty :)))) But Of course you're right - this is the main story!



I figured out how to work the mechanism. It is very important to do it right. That there was no question - I will post the video.

Yes, I will be in this thread to talk about the news. And the start of the sale. To my regret KG 13D get a very expensive I'll do a separate topic at the forum, where the tell why this is so.

Thank you for your interest in my work!

There's news - production of plastic parts began.

very nice!

g.

To be continued ...

Very clean production pieces, Baur.
Nice

Dear Santa - ehm, dear Baur.

Your work seems very very promising, to say the least.
Forgive me if it's too early to ask - but so, since you posted those production photos, does it mean that there will be a purchasable product anytime soon?
And if yes, how? And where from? Is it possible to pre-order?
Thank you, and keep up your amazing work!

The remaining items are now in transit to me I get them only at the end of December. Silicone mold allows you to make 25 quality castings. Therefore, a total of 25 sets will be. Half already booked in Russia by reservation. The product obtained is VERY expensive: (. WE are all accustomed to plastic devices that are cheap.
But if it is doing a series on the many many thousands of pieces. A small-batch production turns out expensive.
I glued in January parts soldered buttons and make an interesting topic of sale. There I briefly discuss the whole process of two years of work. You can read it using Google translator.
This work was very interesting for me.
While I will not show photos of the finished product - I can not publish the final price. Sorry!
Follow this topic to make a booking. I doubt there will be another batch of products manufactured. I do handle for themselves and guys. And my goal will be achieved.
I will publish news about my work.

More photos

Very Impressive Baur! I am looking forward to see the final steuergriff!:)

Excellent work Baur!

g.

In the process ...

What are the two switches in the bottom photo used for?

tnx.

g.

Each tumbler - two buttons. Got that?

More photos

It looks amazing Baur! I hope the trigger mechanism will come nicely together as well!

The trigger mechanism works perfectly! Later I'll show photos. Your work has helped me to understand how it should work.

Wow, this is most impressive.

Bauer,

Well done. Better than some cast "replicas".

Sokol1

Thank you! Tomorrow will show pictures of the all ready.

Baur, wishing you much success with this. Not sure if I'd be able to afford one but your attention to detail and efforts to stay true to the original KG13 is quite impressive.
Derek

Thank you Derek! Two years of work. And despite the fact that I am in the hands of real KG13 never held :)))

Yeah, I figured they were switches. What I didn't know is what their original function was supposed to be...

g.

I do not understand then :)))?

Here you can see tepre fully assembled version - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23915#23915

Baur,

this is stunning! Fantastic details! If you still have some of them for sale, you should put on a price tag and let the people to buy them!:)

Very nice, looks perfect.

Thank you guys! I will prepare a special theme sale and post a link here. In the near future I will be busy assembling handles lientov from Russia, who took part in the pre-order.

Subject sale - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24087#24087
You have to use Google translator.

Google translation:


Price for residents of Russia together with shipping and insurance Russian Post - 270 euros for the course.

For residents of other countries with mail delivery Russia - 280 euros or 380 dollars. I want to note that the delivery outside Russia parcel is not insured . I confirm the fact of sending a check and a reference to track the passage of the parcel.

Interested please write to brd-2014@inbox.ru


Seems clear enough a translation to me...

Looks awesome. But do i get it right thats only the grip with electronics?
Very acurate modeling and looks pretty high quality. Good Job.

I make and sell joysticks over 4 years. In Russia of virtual pilots have a very good reputation! My authority is very expensive for me!
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/index.php?c=9

Nine wires on the cable -
yellow - common to all buttons;
button 1 - Red
button 2 - Black
button 3 - Blue
button 4 - Green
button 5 - Orange
button 6 - Grey
button 7 - Purple
button 8 - Brown

@ The Winger:
yes, grip with electronics only.

@ Baur:

On page 3 of this thread the CGI image shows the grip attached to a BRD joystick base.
Can you confirm that this is compatible with the joystick bases for:

VKB joysticks?
Thrustmaster Warthog/Cougar ?
others?


Can you provide some links or pictures with the stick attached to other modified stick bases.

Very nice looking grip BTW... Looks like better manufacturing quality than the original WW2 KG13!

No, joysticks listed installation is not available. I do not plan on doing more. It is difficult and the most important thing - you need a lot of money I have written - I wanted to make myself KG13 :))
More here on this option BRD - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=704 Natural photos are closer to the summer. There are orders that I do and I will.

Thanks Baur. I understand.
With a controller unit, such as Leo Bodnar's BU0386 or similar, it should be possible to create a joystick + base using your grip.
I wish you success and look forward to seeing what your customers put together
C_G

Hi Guys,

Great looking grip there Baur.

With Baur's permission I can easily get his grip to work with our new Mulit-Grip Cyclic base. It's designed for helicopter use, but will work equally well for fixed wing flying. All I would have to do is make an adapeter to attach to the bottom of the grip, add an appropriate length of tube and then add my Mulit-Grip adapter to attach it to my base unit.

BR

Rich

For sale were only gray-black KG 13 ...

How many KG-13's do you have to sell?

I may be very interested in one.

Thanks for your efforts

I probably do not understand? I already gave the link to purchase -I sold the most in Russia. One guy from Germany promised to write to this forum when it receives KG13. His premise already left Russia customs.

You can also buy it

Picures from one Bauer happy consumer.

Bauer KG13B grip + Bauer BRD Flight 4000 base and custom(?) Bf109 like rudder pedal.





Sokol1

Wow!!! That is an impressive set-up, very realistic controls.

I like that very much.


Sorely tempted by the Baur grip, but I just can't afford it right now.

The horrible bit is by the time I can, there will be no more available

Hot damn! Baur's been holding out on us. He makes joystick gimbals too?!

That's some terrific kit you've got there, Sokol.

Where do we sign up, Baur?

Congratulations and Happy Flying, Sokol.

Keep up the good work, Baur.

Cheers,

Flying Colander

FC

Bauer make (and sold) metal laser cut kit for gimbal assembly - that is done with nut and bolts, and rivets.
Options for adapt in COTS joystick or DIY desk mount, long stick. The laser cut ensure precise assembly for ball bearings.

I dont know real numbers, but seem they are affordable.
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/files/6_207.jpg

BTW - These pictures is not mine (unfortunately), is from one Bauer consumer from Russia. I link then here to show more of Bauer work.

Sokol1

Very nice setup! I especially like the replica einhet pedals! they are looking really sharp!
Baur is quite a designer. It is a pity that most of his work is hidden from us on russian forums.

Sorry, Sokol, I thought "one happy Baur customer" meant you. Dreaming is free.

MMaister, you are right about all the great, hidden work on the Russian forums. I only know of it because of Sokol's reports to the rest of us non-Slavic fliers. I think the Russians are leading the way in all things flight sim. They're programming the next gen games, BoS and DCS WWII, and building great hardware, VKB, Baur, Slaw & Milan (Eastern Europe).

Just missing Norway... Still trying to convince you to go commercial with your designs, MMaister! Hint, hint. No pressure, mate.

Cheers,

FC

Thanks for the help Sokol1! With your help, I also learned a lot.
Hard for me to talk about their work in foreign forums. After all, I do not speak English.

In Russia there are a great legacy from the Soviet Union - many designers, many programmers. And we are now making weapons for virtual wars. :)))

I have four years here doing this joystick - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=704
This year will be the next optimization. Get version number 4.
Even before I do this this new model - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758&start=15

He can be put and KG13.

NOT a lot of pedals -
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=682
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=716
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=772

But selling to Europe from Russia is very difficult. I sent KG 13 22.01.2014 in Germany. Sending still did not come. I'm very excited!


Sokol1, I will be happy if you continue to help me.

Hi,

So I have an awesome KG 13 ordered of = Baur = and get even!;-)

I must say that at first I had to consider whether everything works, but it worked!

I do not know how it is with the shipping in different countries, to my Germany it worked!

The delivery took forever, about a month.... post office and customs ...

So I can only say that you get from = Baur = a really great stick,
great support during shipping and everything farther!

Again Thank you = Baur =

and to all the people who plan to order one KG13.... does it, you will be amazed!

Ciao carh451

Translated with google

I am very pleased that the pen (KG 13) arrived safely in Germany!

Baur, if you sell stick bases with interchangeable grips, all of us here will be yelling "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" faster than you can take it all.

Someone else I met says that your gimbal design is the best-engineered on the market with the cam system. Better than the Black Mamba, better than the U2-NXT, better than everything. Perfect smoothness and easily-tailored force profiles are possible with it, he claims.

I'd like to try one out myself, but obviously, ordering a gimbal is a bit of a problem. I bet you'd make a lot of sales by selling Saitek X-52 mod kits of the sort I saw pictures of somewhere; that's actually how I first heard of you.

Alternatively, I'd suggest selling stick bases with the user's choice of stick grips. KG13s are too simple for my tastes, but a near-authentic MiG-29, Su-27 or Su-35 grip without the omissions found in the Defender Cobra M5/VKB Black Mamba grip (missing cannon trigger chief among them) would be great.

Even better yet, if you're willing to produce a force-feedback variant, make a Ka-50 cyclic and corresponding anti-torque pedals!

NamelessPFG

Take a look:




http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=810&start=0

Sokol1

There's several modern grips in that thread, and they're all shaping up nicely!

I do have one minor concern about the trigger assembly, however; I only spot two microswitches, one for each trigger.

This is fine for most purposes, but due to the way DCS handles cannon modes, there needs to be a way for it to detect when the main trigger is flipped up so that it switches into and out of cannon mode, and that presumably requires another microswitch.

It's a cramped space in there, though; I'm not sure if they even have room for an additional tac switch or other form of microswitch to accomplish that.

They could also sell these stick grips for Cougar/Warthog, Black Mamba and maybe even X-55 use, but my concern with all three of those is that those sticks' grip interfaces presumably only handle digital button inputs, and the slew control on real Russian sticks is analog, of course. They'd have to downgrade that aspect to a digital hat with click-down for it to work.

NamelessPFG, I agree with you completely on all issues. I can not give away all the time designing and manufacturing joysticks. It is not possible to earn enough money. In Russia it is very difficult to organize business.

Hi,Baur
I've been follow your project for a long time. So excited that you put it on sale~ I'd like to have one or more,so how can I pay for it? Ebay or somthing?

Need to hurry. There are only four pieces. They are disassembled. They need to collect (glue and screw to put a button). I can do it in May.
You can pay through Western Union.

I only have Paypal，sad~~

Paypal is very difficult to cash in Russia.

Hello Baur,
congratulations for your work. I sent you a private message with my details, for the purchase of the latest version with the KG13 grip. If you send me your information for the western union you send the money.

I live in Italy..

Ou, ok! Write to the post office.

Hello Baur,
if it were possible to have it assembled and painted, would not be bad. provided that you do not create too much trouble.

S!

Nik

Agree on the mail. I do not write every day can answer. Sorry!

Do you still have some left?

Currently not available. I hope next year will be able to offer more for sale.

There is one Flightsick KG 13 for sale $ 380. Gray-black color. Payment by Western Union.

http://www.avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24075#24075

Good evening! This year, here are the stiks. The same thing, but without tumblers.



230 euro.

There are ready for sale joystick with KG 13.


I can give you more pictures.

Um.... YES, more pictures, PLEASE!

Balshoi spasiba!

Also, how many are there for sale? KG13 grip alone? and grip + base sets?

Are you planning another production run? Or are these just a few you have built in your spare time...

That is a work of art. It would appear the height of the stick is adjustable..? Or is that two different length shafts? I'm afraid my wallet won't allow a purchase now but I wish you much success so that if I do get the coin together you are still making these.
And yes, more pics would be much appreciated.
Derek

Well, I will show more interesting photos.




More please!

Greater production will not. I can collect a few pieces if they will be needed. Then some more and some more ...

I can make the height of the stick on the order. But it still goes up to 52 mm.


It's easy -

You can read more (translated into English) in this topic - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165 About electronics better read here - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90
In addition to a set of other profiles. And the panel for vertical installation of the controller - http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75


joystick BRD-DS - 180 euro.

And more pictures

Bauer

This price is for the mechanical parts for assembly the base, no?

This: http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2015/01/full-23745-95323-p108.jpg

How cost the electronics?

Another questions:

For the buyer use a existent grip, e.g. Tm F-22PRO/Cougar, CH Combatstick/Fighterstick, Suncom F-15...
the base part part that fix on grip need be specific, or are universal?

How order one?
How know the shipping?
How send the payment?

Sokol1

Height for an Me109 stick is about 400mm.Sorry for the derail.

Baur, thanks for the clarification and additional photos. Cheers!
Derek

Baur, Thanks for the pictures.
Your design and construction quality are tremendous. Beautiful work!
C_G

Hi, nice drawing! May I ask, do you have the CAD data for the stick? Are you working on your own sim pit?

MAC

Yes I will start building soon but still got a bit to do in design work.

Great work - see PM!

MAC

I do not want to make the cockpit Bf109 I make toys for adult men. :)))

Sokol1, I find it difficult to write in English. Need help.
In other countries I will only sell painted and assembled device. In this way, as in the photo.


A three-axis controller. Magnetic digital sensors RAMS . The main body of the two axes of the mode selector switch.

Procedure:
1. Connect the joystick.
2. Switch the control X,Y axes.
3. Wait 10 seconds.
4. Move the joystick all the way to the sides.
5. The joystick is calibrated - hurray!

Warning! On some computers, there is a problem in Windows 8.1. http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=830

It's hard to tell. Send me a stick. I'll put it BRD-DS joystick.


brd-2014@inbox.ru
I will send the parcel. I give tracking number.
Such as Germany - http://print-post.com/trekking_posylok.htm?track=CA027493879RU
Italy - http://print-post.com/trekking_posylok.htm?track=CA033549501RU
Singapore - http://print-post.com/trekking_posylok.htm?track=CA033549206RU
I even sent a parcel without payment! I showed her honesty. But the guy from Italy deceived me parcel received. The order is not paid.
Now I can not do that.
Western Union. PayPal does not work in Russia. You can not take the money.

I sent many packages to Europe. I can give addresses of customers. They can tell - all received excellent!

Real men play with real planes Beautiful grips you do my friend..

KG13 for Thrustmaster Cougar.

KG13 for Thrustmaster Warthog.

Price with shipping to Europe 308 dollars.
America, Africa, Australia - 320 dollars.
Delivery of air mail Russia.

Looks fantastic Baur!

Thank U!
KG13 is available.

To order, contact the personal correspondence.

Email sent.

Thanks!

Is it just the Grip or the whole Stick you are offering? Looks like excellent work.

I do not understand the question.

Hello Baur

I'd like to know if it is the complete Joystick ,with the Gimbal ,electronics etc. or if it is just the KG13 Handle to connect to the Warthog or Cougar Base.

I can't speak for Baur and he will be best to answer your question but I believe some bases will be available later in the year. Nonetheless, I don't want to get your hopes up. Hopefully he will understand and be able to provide you a more accurate answer!

Ok, thanks FalkeEins. I will wait and see what happens.^^

I will prepare a picture-comics. I hope everything will be clear

I tried to show the options. Prices better to ask me in private correspondence. The ruble in Russia changed. And with it changes price.

Is it possible to use the base-BRD with the Warthog grip?
The base of my warthog won't take it any longer.

I'm sorry - I do not quite understand the question

Bauer,

For what I understand Red-Yeti need the BRD base, USB controller and X and Y sensor, for use his Warthog grip (seems his Warthog base/controller is defective).

Two questions.

- How adapt the Warthog base bolt to BRD base pole?



- The new (BRD) USB controller recognize the shifter register circuit inside Warthog handle?

Similar to this, but with Warthog grip.

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/files/p004_230.jpg

Red_Yeti

You need know that you cant use more the TARGET software because only work with Tm firmwares.

Thank you Sokol1!
That is exactly what would i like to know.



That would be fine. I dont like TARGET.

To use a warthog stick you need to make an adapter, such as i have done for my joystick.

You may connect the stick without modification with Njoy32 and MMjoy controllers. For BRD controller you need to use a diode matrix.
Sorry for my english.

No, I see this in IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad forum.

Im ready to have this.

Baur I have just send to you PM. I hope there is still same stick available ....

My answer then immediately to all who wrote me a letter in a personal department. draken152, CAM_Voss
and the other guys, this is the answer for you.
Parts made in 2015 come to an end. I will list what more you can buy.
1. KG13 for Thrustmaster Cougar and Thrustmaster Warthog - Not reserved only one set. Can it be done in October.

2. Joystick BRD-DS+KG13 Available are two ready-made kits. I can send within a week after 100% payment.

In the letter please indicate which option you need? Or send a link to a photo. I find it hard to understand how Booked

I started to make more parts. They will be ready around the end of 2015...

I look forward to your questions (just read my post on the previous page) Your Baur!

What is the price for mechanics and 2 sensors?
I don't need controller and stick.

Thank you!

Digital sensors R.A.M.S.It will not work on your controller.
http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/17504-digital-magnetic-sensor-control-devices-komaroff/

Hello Baur!

When me and my friend saw your KG13 Grip stick and the controller we decided order it just now. It is precise the flight stick what I have dreamed about ten years. We both have Slaw Device's Bf 109 G rudder pedals and they NEED just your great looking stick with them:



I just posted a private message to you and wait your answer. Thank you for your great work and SALUTE!

Hello Kanttori58!
I said to you in the mail.

Got my Baur's grip for Thrustmaster Warthog today.What a beauty and works like a charm.Truly a dream come true to be able to fly with Bf-109 grip .Thanks a million Baur!

I have more ...

Hmmm.

Christmas is coming. Might have to see if I can convince the house spouse to allow me to invest in this.

Might make a good SimHQ writup too.

Hi Baur.
I sended to you a P.M.

Salute.
Costa

I'm doing a little product. But I'll try to make a lot of New Year holidays sticks.

I write to you.

Salute. Baur

@Baur

It came today from Sochi Russia, right before my Bday. Nice!
The payment worked easily via Western Union off my iPhone and the controller came within a month from Russia to California USA. Undamaged and in perfect working condition. The quality is as good as any name brand out there and the only way to improve it would be a metal version to match my TM Cougar/WartHog.

What I would ask Baur to consider is a Spitfire yoke and possibly a F18 and MiG29/Su27 control stick too (in this order). I have a Spitfire and MiG29 real life stick if you need dimensions.













So far it works like charm and is very good quality. Finally, a working addon control stick to the TM Cougar/Warthog controllers!

Spitty stuff


Fw190 stuff.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/YPAQZB...tionId=55092417

This beauty has arrived today.
I have to say that is really a great piece of art!






Thank you very much Baur.
Waiting forward for a Bf109 or Fw190 Throttle set made by you

Saludos
15(Span.)/JG51 Costa

I need a lot of information. Photos, drawings, dimensions !? Which modes? What features? I ask to send me on e-mail - brd-2014@inbox.ru

One of these?...
https://www.shapeways.com/product/WH3QH5...tionId=55117146

Baur I would be all over this too was going to order one from arsnal45 but dimensions were wrong for my pit, I've sent you a photo of the fw190 D this is the one I would like:). Also waiting for rudder pedals payment details .

I ask to wait a week. I am preparing a surprise

How many buttons has the grip?
Are the both thumb buttons coolie hats?
What is the cost on such a grip without Warthog adapter?
Thinking about adding one to my KG 20.
Prerequisity would be it having more than just 3 butons.