#3756803 - 03/24/13 05:19 PM
Re: AARs
[Re: milo11]
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farokh
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Thanks, as a neutral operator, I would be interested in your opinion about:
Well, before answering, i must tell you that i started playing 2 months ago and i´ve just learnt Neva, Dvina and Volhov ( started learning Ganef yesterday), so my opinion is limited to those three systems This is based on my very own and humble opinion:
- What is your favorite system?
Every system has its pros and cons, but i guess that it my fav is Dvina, with Neva as a close second. - What do you like in that system?
Historical relevance, nice looking missile, simplicity and above all USER INTERFACE and LAYOUT. I know that Volhov has much more features, but it is much more cumbersome and that translates (at least in my case) to sloppy operations. A nice layout allows you a faster and cleaner execution, which imo is essential in High Threat (HARM) scenario even if u dont have Narrow beam, LORO and more refined Fuse options. Neva interface is OK, but i dont like that fact that you have to search in AZ and adjust in Epsilon on different consoleS (or at least thats just the technique that works best for me), you loose precious seconds on that, altough i know that in Real Life that would be way faster since every console has its operator/s. Also i dont like that you cannot switch off SNR with missiles on air, casue you llose them (or can u? ) - What system was the easiest to learn?
Neva, pretty straightforward, more automated thatn the others - What system was the hardest to learn?
Volhov, since it has more options, all packaged in a cumbersome and unfriendly interface, i find pretty curious that the engineers decided to update the system by adding more complex modes of operation without improving the user friendliness. Ill tell you about Ganef, Shilka and Vega when in leanr them milo 11 you are so lucky guy man. !!! after more than 2 years ... and after passed 30min working with samsim every day ... and check sim HQ sam simulator froum evry day .... hpasp never say farokh - What do you like in that system? your are so lucky dude !
Last edited by farokh; 03/24/13 06:39 PM.
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#3757106 - 03/25/13 10:42 AM
Re: AARs
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May i ask you what´s your favourite system, then?
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#3757441 - 03/25/13 07:31 PM
Re: AARs
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#3757697 - 03/26/13 05:33 AM
Re: AARs
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farokh
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my favorite system is 2k12 KUB sa-6 gainful... of course i love this system for KUB missile shape design ! (high speed - semo-homing - ramjet technology - smal to medium size missile )
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#3760159 - 03/31/13 12:30 AM
Re: AARs
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Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade. F117 Stealth down with s-125 Neva.
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:44, SNR ON AIR
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00:04:20, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 80° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:04:26, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 76° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:04:32, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 9m)
00:04:52, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)
00:04:53, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.
00:05:43, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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Total, SNR On Air Time: 58sec
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#3764735 - 04/08/13 08:57 PM
Re: AARs
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milo11
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I think there must be some bug on EDC Raid against Bengazhi with Dvina.... 8 kills (4 Intruders, 2 Corsairs, 2 Hornets), no Harm fired...
2:00am 15th of April, 1986. Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.
Targets: Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America) Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
Supporting force: 8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America) 6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers) 1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
SA-75M Dvina
+++++++++++++++++ 00:01:28, SNR ON AIR
00:01:36, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:27, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:33, SNR ON AIR
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00:03:01, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 188° Target elevation: 13° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:04, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:11, SNR ON AIR
00:03:16, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 97m)
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:39, SNR ON AIR
00:03:42, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:08, SNR ON AIR
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00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks. 00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:04:18, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 8km Target azimuth: 178° Target elevation: 19° Target altitude: 2,6km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:21, SNR ON AIR
00:04:29, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 71m)
00:04:30, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:56, SNR ON AIR
00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:03, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:16, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:29, SNR ON AIR
00:05:31, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 184° Target elevation: 14° Target altitude: 2,9km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:05:32, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:43, SNR ON AIR
00:05:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 118m) 00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:00, SNR ON AIR
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00:06:22, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 183° Target elevation: 16° Target altitude: 3km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:27, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:32, SNR ON AIR
00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:36, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)
00:06:38, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:07:08, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 183° Target elevation: 17° Target altitude: 3,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:15, SNR ON AIR
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00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:19, SNR ON AIR
00:07:23, Missile exploded on Channel-2 A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)
00:07:24, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:39, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:00, SNR ON AIR
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00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:06, SNR ON AIR
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00:08:21, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 344° Target elevation: 26° Target altitude: 2,7km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:22, SNR ON AIR
00:08:30, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F/A-18A Hornet No.2, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
00:08:31, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:09:07, SNR ON AIR
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00:12:12, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 350° Target elevation: 27° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:12:15, SNR ON AIR
00:12:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
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00:12:53, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 5km Target azimuth: 28° Target elevation: 30° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:12:55, SNR ON AIR
00:13:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
00:13:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:17:24, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 303° Target elevation: 66° Target altitude: 11,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 44sec
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#3764970 - 04/09/13 09:25 AM
Re: AARs
[Re: milo11]
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Hpasp
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I think there must be some bug on EDC Raid against Bengazhi with Dvina.... 8 kills (4 Intruders, 2 Corsairs, 2 Hornets), no Harm fired...
2:00am 15th of April, 1986. Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.
Targets: Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America) Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
Supporting force: 8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America) 6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers) 1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
SA-75M Dvina
+++++++++++++++++ 00:01:28, SNR ON AIR
00:01:36, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:27, SNR ON AIR
00:02:30, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:33, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:39, SNR ON AIR
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00:03:01, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 188° Target elevation: 13° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:04, SNR ON AIR
00:03:07, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:11, SNR ON AIR
00:03:16, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 97m)
00:03:17, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:39, SNR ON AIR
00:03:42, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:08, SNR ON AIR
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00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks. 00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:04:18, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 8km Target azimuth: 178° Target elevation: 19° Target altitude: 2,6km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:21, SNR ON AIR
00:04:29, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 71m)
00:04:30, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:56, SNR ON AIR
00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:03, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:16, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:29, SNR ON AIR
00:05:31, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 184° Target elevation: 14° Target altitude: 2,9km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:05:32, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:43, SNR ON AIR
00:05:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 118m) 00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:00, SNR ON AIR
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00:06:22, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 183° Target elevation: 16° Target altitude: 3km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:27, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:32, SNR ON AIR
00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:36, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)
00:06:38, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:57, SNR ON AIR
00:07:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:07:08, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 183° Target elevation: 17° Target altitude: 3,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:15, SNR ON AIR
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00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:19, SNR ON AIR
00:07:23, Missile exploded on Channel-2 A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)
00:07:24, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:07:39, SNR ON AIR
00:07:42, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:00, SNR ON AIR
00:08:04, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:06, SNR ON AIR
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00:08:21, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 344° Target elevation: 26° Target altitude: 2,7km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:08:22, SNR ON AIR
00:08:30, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F/A-18A Hornet No.2, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
00:08:31, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:09:07, SNR ON AIR
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+++++++++++++++++ 00:09:36, SNR ON AIR
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00:12:12, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 350° Target elevation: 27° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:12:15, SNR ON AIR
00:12:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
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00:12:53, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 5km Target azimuth: 28° Target elevation: 30° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
+++++++++++++++++ 00:12:55, SNR ON AIR
00:13:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
00:13:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:14:19, SNR ON AIR
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00:17:24, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 303° Target elevation: 66° Target altitude: 11,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:17:26, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 44sec
You used your SNR as a flashing car index. Weasels needs some time to lock their HARMs and fire it... Could you post 3DAAR of this battle? (And please never forget, that you done this expecting the enemy to come, while at the real battle SNR operators were woken up by the bombing, had one chance in their lifetime, only after hearing that their colleagues at the neighboring site was killed... )
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#3764979 - 04/09/13 10:25 AM
Re: AARs
[Re: milo11]
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farokh
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I think there must be some bug on EDC Raid against Bengazhi with Dvina.... 8 kills (4 Intruders, 2 Corsairs, 2 Hornets), no Harm fired...
2:00am 15th of April, 1986. Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.
Targets: Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America) Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
Supporting force: 8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America) 6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers) 1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) 2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
SA-75M Dvina
+++++++++++++++++ 00:01:28, SNR ON AIR
00:01:36, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:02:27, SNR ON AIR
00:02:30, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:03:01, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 188° Target elevation: 13° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:03:16, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 97m)
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00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks. 00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:04:18, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 8km Target azimuth: 178° Target elevation: 19° Target altitude: 2,6km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:04:29, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 71m)
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00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
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00:05:31, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 11km Target azimuth: 184° Target elevation: 14° Target altitude: 2,9km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:05:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 118m) 00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
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00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
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00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:36, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 28m)
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00:07:08, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 10km Target azimuth: 183° Target elevation: 17° Target altitude: 3,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
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00:07:23, Missile exploded on Channel-2 A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)
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00:08:21, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 344° Target elevation: 26° Target altitude: 2,7km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:08:30, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F/A-18A Hornet No.2, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
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00:12:12, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 6km Target azimuth: 350° Target elevation: 27° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:12:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
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00:12:53, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 5km Target azimuth: 28° Target elevation: 30° Target altitude: 2,8km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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00:13:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 53m)
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00:17:24, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 12km Target azimuth: 303° Target elevation: 66° Target altitude: 11,1km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
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Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 44sec
you are a genius man ! are u sure your only source about sam tactics is sam simulator ?
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#3764980 - 04/09/13 10:29 AM
Re: AARs
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You used your SNR as a flashing car index. Weasels needs some time to lock their HARMs and fire it... flash car index ? i use this method but when i launch the missiles to target ! i have to keep transmitter ON on air ... so they fire on me after pass seconds ... i cant understand what is flashing car index correctly dear hpasp.. would u say somthing
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#3765016 - 04/09/13 12:34 PM
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Could you post 3DAAR of this battle?
Sure... http://www.sendspace.com/file/h7tdu0 (And please never forget, that you done this expecting the enemy to come, while at the real battle SNR operators were woken up by the bombing, had one chance in their lifetime, only after hearing that their colleagues at the neighboring site was killed... )
Yes, yes i know this is just a simulation, with all intel assets (f.ex knowing how HARM system works) favouring SAM operators, with no risk, no fear, and none of the added complexities of real life jobs, its just ... that i find a bit weird shooting down a hornet with Dvina system...(i guess its just a feeling, nothing technically fundamented )
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#3765025 - 04/09/13 12:50 PM
Re: AARs
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you are a genius man ! are u sure your only source about sam tactics is sam simulator ? Thanks. Yes, indeed the "flashing car index" stuff after launch is something that appears in the s-75 advanced manual. If you look at the aar, you´ll notice that i launch with snr turned off. I´ll activate it during the missile´s last seconds of flight. This aproach of course has its disadvantages, you can read about them in the manual. This is imo, the main advantage that the s-75 has over the s-125, being able to launch with having snr on (i dont know much about neva, maybe you can do that with it aswell). Also launching at close ranges, and checking your instruments help. I think that a thread about SAM tactics would be great, what do you guys think?
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#3765043 - 04/09/13 01:26 PM
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Could you post 3DAAR of this battle?
Sure... http://www.sendspace.com/file/h7tdu0 (And please never forget, that you done this expecting the enemy to come, while at the real battle SNR operators were woken up by the bombing, had one chance in their lifetime, only after hearing that their colleagues at the neighboring site was killed... )
Yes, yes i know this is just a simulation, with all intel assets (f.ex knowing how HARM system works) favouring SAM operators, with no risk, no fear, and none of the added complexities of real life jobs, its just ... that i find a bit weird shooting down a hornet with Dvina system...(i guess its just a feeling, nothing technically fundamented ) There is no plane, that cannot be shot down by SAM... (except B-2A ) In Desert Storm, several planes (F-14/15/16) were shot down by the SA-2/3 systems. Over the Balkans, two F-16s, and an F117 was downed by the SA-3/6 (Serbs had no operational SA-2 during the conflict). F-18's were used to be shot down by the MiG-25PD's so far...
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#3765096 - 04/09/13 03:01 PM
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I've known about switching the radar on and off to avoid HARMs for a long time. But is it realistic to do when a missile is in flight? I thought HARMs could guide against the missile command transmitter. It also works on the SA-4. Is that also realistic? I manually turn the radar off, and launch missiles. Only blinking the radar on for 0.5 seconds every 3-4 seconds, and turn it on for the last 5 seconds before impact. It's hard to know what is realistic, and what works only because it's a simulator.
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#3765147 - 04/09/13 04:51 PM
Re: AARs
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I'm just curious, how S-300 could perform in a modern conflict. wellcom apelles to our group hmm.. im sure 100% hpasp more than u wants create s-300 on samsim... but we need more analog system to understand sam mechanism..! with 6 tracking parallel channels you can make the burning hell on sky !
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#3765152 - 04/09/13 05:02 PM
Re: AARs
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I'm just curious, how S-300 could perform in a modern conflict. Strongly depends of the SAM crew. The S-300PS/PMU (SA-10B) is my favorite SAM system, but I would really like to warn anybody of having unrealistically high expectations... Tolicha Peak complex, Nevada, US
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#3765157 - 04/09/13 05:08 PM
Re: AARs
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I have some technical questions for Hpasp. In EDC scenario, the "flasing light" technique , combined with launchin at short ranges (no more than 15 km) seems to work against Harm equiped Corsairs and Hornets... In OAF however, f-16cjss can launch at you once you fire a missile,even with transmiter off. (You can check my Dvina OAF b2 raig against Belgrade, f117 down AAR) So: 1- F-16cjs can launch on me because im emitting RPK signals through the antenna (missile on the air), and they can lock on them right? If what ive said above is true then: 2. Why can´t Hornets and Corsairs on EDC do the same? (at least on my AARs) 3. Is there a difference between Weasel Hornets and F-16cj in terms of SEAD performance? 4. Is it more difficult for weasels to lock on RPK emitting , SNR off site, than to lock on an SNR on RPK emitting site? If u compare my two OA b-2 raid AARs, first with Dvina, second with Neva , it takes a bit more time for the f-16cj to launch a HARM on me with Dvina. Thanks.
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#3765165 - 04/09/13 05:18 PM
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new personal result during line brake II ....using "flashing car index" tactic subject: engage with low alt phantoms ! AAR S-75M3 Volkhov
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00:00:00, B-52D Snow-01 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:00, B-52D Brown-01 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:00, B-52D Maple-01 bombed Kep AFB. 00:00:08, B-52D Snow-02 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:08, B-52D Brown-02 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:08, B-52D Maple-02 bombed Kep AFB. 00:00:40, B-52D Snow-03 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:40, B-52D Brown-03 bombed Hoa Lac AFB. 00:00:40, B-52D Maple-03 bombed Kep AFB.
00:01:07, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-3 Target distance: 31km Target azimuth: 105° Target elevation: 3° Target altitude: 2km SNR mode: LORO - 75km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:01:32, B-52D Gold-01 bombed Kep AFB. 00:01:43, B-52D Gold-02 bombed Kep AFB. 00:01:59, B-52D Gold-03 bombed Kep AFB.
00:02:02, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 31km Target azimuth: 58° Target elevation: 4° Target altitude: 2.6km SNR mode: LORO - 75km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:02:08, B-52D Purple-01 bombed Phuc Yen AFB. 00:02:11, B-52D Purple-02 bombed Phuc Yen AFB. 00:02:25, B-52D Purple-03 bombed Phuc Yen AFB.
00:02:39, Missile exploded on Channel-2 00:02:54, B-52G Rose-01 bombed Kinh No Complex. 00:03:00, B-52G Rose-02 bombed Kinh No Complex. 00:03:03, B-52G Rose-03 bombed Kinh No Complex.
00:03:37, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 31km Target azimuth: 97° Target elevation: 6° Target altitude: 3.4km SNR mode: LORO - 75km Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)
00:03:56, B-52D Green-02 bombed Kep AFB. 00:03:58, B-52D Green-01 bombed Kep AFB.
00:04:03, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-4 number 1 of pair-1 blocking Zea Lam airfield killed by SAM. (miss distance: 110m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 16sec
3DAAR http://www.sendspace.com/file/kl8xnw
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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