#3756633 - 03/24/13 07:03 AM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Wow, that's a lot of electronics. Much more than I would have guessed. Why so much? It's command guided, so no complex sensors. And proximity fuses can fit in a 40mm shell, so that shouldn't take much room.
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#3756639 - 03/24/13 07:58 AM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Hmmm... i read about missile range .... impossible 15km missile range ? this missile is really smal for flying till 15 km ... Where??? The 9M33M2 missile has... - 1,5 .. 10,3km range - 25 .. 5000m altitude - 500m/s (Mach1.5) maximum target speed. here wrote max range is 15000m and alt is 12000m http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-8.htmalso here wrote about first variant range is 12000km and for m3 version 15000m range ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K33_Osaalso here Specifications (9M33[3]) Weight 170 kg Length 3158 mm Diameter 209.6 mm Warhead Frag-HE Warhead weight 16 kg Detonation mechanism Contact and proximity Propellant Solid propellant rocket motor Operational range 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) Flight altitude 12,000 metres (39,000 ft) Boost time 2 s boost, then 15 s sustain Speed 1020 m/s Guidance system RF CLOS Steering system dual-thrust rocket motor. Accuracy 5 m Launch platform 9P35M2
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#3756707 - 03/24/13 01:42 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) workplace...
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#3756796 - 03/24/13 05:04 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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wow white panel is very sexy . hpasp would u want introduce the fire switch to us ? also one more thing sir : i see how KUB operators can lock on target .... so locking on target by Gecho near close to Kub or Gecko is different ?
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#3756802 - 03/24/13 05:13 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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wow white panel is very sexy . hpasp would u want introduce the fire switch to us ? Pretty easy... ... look for a RED button, with the label of PUSK.
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#3756835 - 03/24/13 06:43 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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#3756855 - 03/24/13 07:44 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Let's see if Faroukh could generate 20+ pages with trash talking in this topic until SA-8B introduction in SAMsim... Dear firend .... Please be carful and understand me and the other side i must say us .... and who loves sam systems ... All of us check this froum for learn about new systems and ask. The questions during next system... And im sure with my basic questions never ever generate any page about any system. So please take it easy and get deep breathe and bee cool till another sam lovers say another basic questions ...also do not forget why we did registered at this froum. Please
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#3757421 - 03/25/13 07:06 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Dear All, OSA SIM will not arrive, at least until the end of 2013, at its best. Currently Im learning its operation and capabilities, and designing the SIM screens. Im happy to answer questions about this remarkable system (last single digit SAM), while Im still building up my knowledge. Originally it was planned as a cheap alternative system to the KUB, having full autonomous operation per vehicle. When the KUB become available during the 70's, it was fielded in the WarPact at both tank/mechanized divisions. At last, when the OSA become available in the 80's, WarPact armies started to swap the more expensive KUB regiments with the OSA!!! (GDR - 2 regiments, Czechoslovakia - 1 regiment, Hungary - never fielded)The reason was that a KUB regiment had only 5 target channel, utilizing 25 tracked vehicles... ... on the other side, the OSA regiment had 20 target channel (4x of a KUB) with 20 wheeled vehicles.
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#3757707 - 03/26/13 06:17 AM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) workplace... dear hpasp.... i see somthing different in this pannels and i never ever seen like it at any samsim systems ! please check the rightest panel ... i see somthing yellow circle .... what is it ? usually in our systems we had one tracking scope and one range finder ... i guess we will meet something different system in future
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#3757766 - 03/26/13 12:00 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Could you roughly describe the procedure to shoot down a target with the SA-8? It doesn't have a separate a target designating radar like the SA-4, so are targets found like the ZSU-23-4? Then just lock angle, lock range, and fire a missile or two? The 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B) turret is quite complex, so first we need to understand it. 1, SOC (Target Acquisition Radar) has three elevation beams (contrary to the 4 elevation beams of the 1S12 [Long Track]). Range options: 0-15km (against choppers), 0-35km, 10-45km 33 rotation per min. 2, NRZ (IFF) 3, SSC (mono-pulse, pencil beam Target Tracking Radar), with a range of 28km. 4, SVR (Missile Tracking Radar - Narrow Beam) 5, SPK (Missile Command Transmitter antenna) 6, SVR (Missile Tracking Radar - Wide Beam) 7, Karat Camera (Optical Target Tracking)
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#3757769 - 03/26/13 12:14 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Indicators: 1, SSC range indicator. 2, SOC azimuth/range indicator. 3, TV. 4, SSC elevation/range indicator.
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#3757788 - 03/26/13 01:12 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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im not sure sa-8 mechanim work like sa-4 mechanism. Ssc elevation / range indicator is strange for me.... We dont have it till now but im sure i see something like this indicator in straight flush radar room (kub). Right hpasp? So i guess at first step in sa-8 1. we need data from IADS 2. also find and lock on target with target acquisition scope 3. finding target elevation with scc elevation/range indicator 4. at the end locking on target range on range finder indicator 5. And PUSK ? Oooof im confuse
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#3757916 - 03/26/13 05:36 PM
Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)
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Working stations (left - middle - right): Range Operator - Azimuth Operator - Elevation Operator
1, check on the blotting board, if the target is approached at least 50km. [Battery commander in the PU-12] 2, switch on high voltage of the SOC. [Azimuth Operator] 3, acquire the target in azimuth with the SSC boresight line displayed on the SOC azimuth/range indicator. [Azimuth Operator] 4, move the range boresight of the SSC to the target mark on the SOC azimuth/range indicator. [Range Operator] 5, switch on high voltage of the SSC. [Range Operator] 6, acquire the target in elevation on the SSC elevation/range indicator. [Elevation Operator] 7, acquire the target in range on the SSC range indicator. [Range Operator] 8, decide if we want to launch 1 or 2 missiles. [Elevation Operator] 9, when the target approaches the firing zone, missiles automatically prepared. [Elevation Operator] 10, fire 1 or 2 missiles. [Elevation Operator]
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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