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#3755797 - 03/22/13 09:26 PM 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko)  
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Here we can discuss everything related to the 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B) SAM system.



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#3755801 - 03/22/13 09:38 PM 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3755807 - 03/22/13 09:49 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Face to face with the turret, having SOC, SSC, SPK, SVR antenna systems (Land Roll), the Karat camera, and the PU in one unit.



Last edited by Hpasp; 03/22/13 10:58 PM.

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#3756027 - 03/23/13 06:02 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Great Hpasp, according to the last photo, is it from historical institute at Lesany?

#3756038 - 03/23/13 06:58 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thank you again Hpasp!

I hope it's okay if I ask a few questions?

How far along are you in adding the SA-8 to the sim? Have you just started? And do you have an estimated date it'll be complete?

Why did you have to wait until you announced it? Were you getting permission from the Hungarian military or something?

#3756058 - 03/23/13 09:18 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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It is from Czech :-)

By the way, what are main differences between AK and AKM versions?

#3756063 - 03/23/13 09:53 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Feels like something between gun or gun-and-missile systems like Shilka and Tunguska, and fixed short-range systems like Neva in terms of capability and envelope.

Gonna be impressive! smile

#3756070 - 03/23/13 10:23 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

By the way, what are main differences between AK and AKM versions?



Optimization against hoovering targets...

#3756076 - 03/23/13 10:43 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
Thank you again Hpasp!
I hope it's okay if I ask a few questions?


Its okay, I just might not answer.
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Originally Posted By: Mdore

How far along are you in adding the SA-8 to the sim? Have you just started? And do you have an estimated date it'll be complete?


Not started yet at all.
Just got the required things that makes me available to create it in the future.

Got the doc from the net, the required high quality photos, and most importantly the connection to somebody who launched OSA missiles several times.


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#3756077 - 03/23/13 10:45 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Nice addition, Hpasp! thumbsup

#3756081 - 03/23/13 11:03 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: JWNoctis]  
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Originally Posted By: JWNoctis
Feels like something between gun or gun-and-missile systems like Shilka and Tunguska, and fixed short-range systems like Neva in terms of capability and envelope.

Gonna be impressive! smile


Originally it was planned to be the cheap alternative of the KUB (SA-6).
According to the plans, one KUB (SA-6) regiment armed the tank divisions, while one OSA (SA-8) regiment armed the mechanized divisions.

Due to the protracted development, the KUB become avaiable earlier, and was fielded for almost all mechanized and tank divisions in the Warsaw Pact.

OSA-AK/AKM is the last single digit SAM system, and the most modern and easy to used one.

Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/13 11:05 AM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3756094 - 03/23/13 11:32 AM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Is it similar to use as the SA-4?

#3756099 - 03/23/13 12:01 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
Is it similar to use as the SA-4?


It was designed by the same engineers, but with almost 10 years difference.
(yes the turret cannot be rotated fully around, an Efremov specialty rolleyes )

On several usability (user friendliness) features it is closer to the S-300PMU (SA-10B) than the KRUG.
(The OSA-AK preceded the S-300PT with only 4 years)

- First white panel of the SAMSIM
The Shilka and the Dvina used the silver hammer finish.
The Volhov, Neva, Vega, KRUG had the blue paint.
All the latest Soviet/Russian SAM systems, and the OSA has the white design.

- Containerized, solid fueled missile with 12s (!!!) preparation time.
- Missile has huge overload capability, evenly in the whole envelope.
- Automatic guidance method selection.
- Automatic missile preparation.
- Automatic missile selection.
- Integrated SOC.
- Amphibious.
- Acquire target on the move, shoot on short stop.
- Dedicated switch against low RCS targets.

Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/13 12:35 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3756107 - 03/23/13 12:23 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

By the way, what are main differences between AK and AKM versions?


From user point of view, it is only six lamps indicating that 9M33M3 missile is present, instead of the 9M33M2 ...

9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B)



9K33M3 OSA-AKM (SA-8B)



... and the capability to engage hovering helicopters below 25m.
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Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/13 12:33 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3756140 - 03/23/13 01:44 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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WOW... dear hpasp let me say TNQ to you and your amazing effort !
i though shilka is only short range system on samsim at all but you disturb all of ideas !

so i have several heavy questions during sa-8 .. personally because i never seen any sa-8 with my eyes because my country do not have it even 1

questions:

first of all for taking picture : hungary museum armed with sa-8 for free acces ? or u have to create digital panels ?

1.please say something about sa-8 missiles !
missile speed
missile G forces
how many missile created and design for sa-8 ?

2.sa-8 can fire with what kide of guiding methods ? IR guiding or radar guiding"t/t ? three point ? lead ? half lead?"

3.we can track how many targets at 1 moments ?

4. sa-8 can use p-40 for tracking and aqusition targets or we can just see targets from IADS table ?



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#3756145 - 03/23/13 01:57 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
WOW... dear hpasp let me say TNQ to you and your amazing effort !
i though shilka is only short range system on samsim at all but you disturb all of ideas !

so i have several heavy questions during sa-8 .. personally because i never seen any sa-8 with my eyes because my country do not have it even 1

questions:

first of all for taking picture : hungary museum armed with sa-8 for free acces ? or u have to create digital panels ?

1.please say something about sa-8 missiles !
missile speed
missile G forces
how many missile created and design for sa-8 ?

2.this system can fire missile with sitch method ? IR guiding or radar guiding"t/t ? three point ? lead ? half lead?"

3.this system can fire how many missiles to target ? and sa-8 can tracking how many targets at one time ?

4. sa-8 can use p-40 for tracking and aqusition targets or we can just see targets from IADS table ?




1, 9M33M2 speed is about 500m/s.
Three missile types were created during the Cold War,
- 9M33 (original, 4pcs per vehicle)
- 9M33M2 (containerized version with fold-able wings, 6pcs per vehicle)
- 9M33M3 (with radio proxy fuse capable of engaging hovering helos under 25m)

2, The 9M33M2 missile is a radar guided one using T/T of Fi guidance method (automatically selected by the system).

3, The 9K33M2 OSA-AK system has one target, and two missile channels.

4, OSA has own target acquisition radar (SOC), no need for P-40.
OSA battery (4pcs) has one PU-12 vehicle attached, so we will have the plotting board similarly to the Shilka.



Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/13 02:15 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3756235 - 03/23/13 04:38 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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tNQ for answering hpasp but two more question
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1. what is FI method ? do u have any picture from missile head ? any GSN armed on 9M33 or not ?

2. we will meet photo real panels or digital panels ?

and haPPY NOWROOZ to you sam sim fans and great hpasp aroundthetree

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#3756238 - 03/23/13 04:45 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
tNQ for answering hpasp but two more question
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1. what is FI method ? do u have any picture from missile head ? any GSN armed on 9M33 or not ?

2. we will meet photo real panels or digital panels ?

and haPPY NOWROOZ to you sam sim fans and great hpasp aroundthetree


1, Fi is similar to K method on the Volhov.
Missile head, not really got your question, but here it is.


GSN is only used by the Semi Active missiles like the KUB and Vega.
OSA is command guided like the Dvina/Volhov/Neva/KRUG.

2, Real panels.
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3756280 - 03/23/13 05:54 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hmmm... i read about missile range .... impossible eek2 15km missile range ?

this missile is really smal for flying till 15 km ...

#3756340 - 03/23/13 07:18 PM Re: 9K33M2 OSA-AK (SA-8B Gecko) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
Hmmm... i read about missile range .... impossible eek2 15km missile range ?

this missile is really smal for flying till 15 km ...


Where???

The 9M33M2 missile has...
- 1,5 .. 10,3km range
- 25 .. 5000m altitude
- 500m/s (Mach1.5) maximum target speed.

Last edited by Hpasp; 03/23/13 07:18 PM.

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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