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#3749155 - 03/11/13 05:39 PM The Future?  
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First of all, I want to say that version 1.15 is amazing. The addition of the KA-50, OH-58D and AH-1Z are truly awesome. I am wondering about possible future plans or additions?

1. Might we see a more functioning KA-50 cockpit with all working gauges?

2. Would it be possible to model the AH-64E (prev known as Block III)?

3. Could the Longbow Radar be modelled as an add-on weapon to the AH-1Z? (I'm thinking no)

4. Would it be difficult to model infantry squads?


I realize this game is nearly 13 years old, and what has already been accomplished is incredible.

#3749177 - 03/11/13 06:03 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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I'm interesting in finishing ka-50, but not even planning this right now - I have already a lot of things to learn and do.

#3749259 - 03/11/13 07:51 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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dont forget the upcoming Blackhawk pit!! woohoo!!

#3749532 - 03/12/13 08:35 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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Originally Posted By: vyrago
1. Might we see a more functioning KA-50 cockpit with all working gauges?

I think this was planned, but Sockzien didn't implement it before the release. I don't think he's around anymore. There's certainly plenty or reference material now that DCS is available.

Originally Posted By: vyrago
2. Would it be possible to model the AH-64E (prev known as Block III)?

In theory - Yes. But getting detailed information to model it would be difficult as it's still very new.

Originally Posted By: vyrago
3. Could the Longbow Radar be modelled as an add-on weapon to the AH-1Z? (I'm thinking no)

It probably could be modelled as payload. But is it confirmed as being available for the AH-1Z? It would need coding changes as well as changes to the 3D model.

Originally Posted By: vyrago
4. Would it be difficult to model infantry squads?

In what sense? I was thinking of trying to model infantry as payload for flying insertion missions as part of my Blackhawk project

Originally Posted By: vyrago
I realize this game is nearly 13 years old, and what has already been accomplished is incredible.

Age is just a number biggrin

#3749539 - 03/12/13 08:55 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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If we are talking about the future, I think 2 things would made this sim much much better.
- Flight models
I still have a feeling like I move on rails sometimes.
Maybe a bit of head movement driven by the inertia would help to feel the whole movement better, without making new flight models:)
- Graph Engine

Both of them are huge ammount of wokr, so I am just happy with the things I already have, thanks for all the work invested!


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#3749543 - 03/12/13 09:11 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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The graphics engine has been looked at on and off over the years. It is a huge amount of work to move it to a new engine. Some work was done to use Ogre, but never finished. I've started a campaign of pestering Strategy First about getting the source code foe EE2 released. I sent them a professionally worded email followed by the same in a letter to their head office. I've not had a response, but I've just sent the 2nd follow up email. I'm just going to keep sending one a month until I get some sort of response.

If EE2 source was released, it would give us an upgraded graphics engine out of the box, but all of the mods would then need to be made again.

#3749548 - 03/12/13 09:46 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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I think it would be good to focus on updating FM's. How about approaching Fred Naar, the creator of great FSX helo FM addon - HTR? I've seen him posting HR-based FMs for ToH choppers on BIS forums and asking about implementing HTR into DCS on ED Forums. I've instantly thought, that maybe he'll be interested in implementing that to EECH as well. Question is could it be done?

S!

#3749557 - 03/12/13 10:32 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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Anyone plannig create cockpit for Ah1 cobra/super cobra ? pilot

#3749566 - 03/12/13 11:18 AM Re: The Future? [Re: Rahon]  
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Originally Posted By: Rafal1537
Anyone plannig create cockpit for Ah1 cobra/super cobra ? pilot


The AH-1Z is already done.

Originally Posted By: Rahon
I think it would be good to focus on updating FM's. How about approaching Fred Naar, the creator of great FSX helo FM addon - HTR? I've seen him posting HR-based FMs for ToH choppers on BIS forums and asking about implementing HTR into DCS on ED Forums. I've instantly thought, that maybe he'll be interested in implementing that to EECH as well. Question is could it be done?

S!


You should ask him, it couldn't do any harm. And having some new developers working on things would be good.

#3749569 - 03/12/13 11:38 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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Htr would be a great option! Particularly, the flight model is already done for dead   combat helo.You "only" need to implement to eech.

#3749571 - 03/12/13 11:49 AM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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...parts unknown, way unknown....
Sorry to say it, but EECH needs to look at payware to bloom the resources and talent to completely revive the game.

#3749572 - 03/12/13 11:49 AM Re: The Future? [Re: messyhead]  
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Originally Posted By: messyhead
Originally Posted By: Rahon
I think it would be good to focus on updating FM's. How about approaching Fred Naar, the creator of great FSX helo FM addon - HTR? I've seen him posting HR-based FMs for ToH choppers on BIS forums and asking about implementing HTR into DCS on ED Forums. I've instantly thought, that maybe he'll be interested in implementing that to EECH as well. Question is could it be done?

S!


You should ask him, it couldn't do any harm. And having some new developers working on things would be good.

I was going to do that, but I'm not a coder by any means, so I don't know, if or how would it be possible to implement the HTR to EECH. I thought, I should mention this to EECH community first and contact Mr. Naar later or even leave that to someone more competent, who would know technical possibilities of making this come true smile

Originally Posted By: joe13
Htr would be a great option! Particularly, the flight model is already done for dead   combat helo.You "only" need to implement to eech.

Sure! And if it would work similar to FSX HTR making new FMs via cfg files would propably be easier, than coding it into EECH source. But again, I'm no coder so this is just my guessing.

S!

#3749573 - 03/12/13 02:11 PM Re: The Future? [Re: rocky]  
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Originally Posted By: rocky
Sorry to say it, but EECH needs to look at payware to bloom the resources and talent to completely revive the game.


Kind of true, BUT: With great pricetag comes great responsibility.


An on/off spare time affair is way more attractive to everyone involved.

#3749581 - 03/12/13 02:30 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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I would gladly pay for a kickstarter that involved something based around EEAH/EECH.

I'm also wondering about implementing UAVs. When this game was created, UAVs were not yet the proven, invaluable asset they are now. It would be very cool, using an AH-64E or RAH-66 to control a Predator and spot targets for yourself.

#3749592 - 03/12/13 02:42 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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Good idea, look at Steel Beast BUT .VERY few people playing simulators helicopters. I'm afraid that would not gathered a lot of people.

#3749598 - 03/12/13 02:49 PM Re: The Future? [Re: Rahon]  
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Originally Posted By: Rahon
I was going to do that, but I'm not a coder by any means, so I don't know, if or how would it be possible to implement the HTR to EECH. I thought, I should mention this to EECH community first and contact Mr. Naar later or even leave that to someone more competent, who would know technical possibilities of making this come true smile

You could just contact him anyway as a start. It doesn't mean you have to be a developer. Contact him asking if he would be interested in doing some work to port the work over to EECH. However, I read that the source was compiled into a C++ DLL for another flight sim, so he might already have something that he would be able to release to the EECH devs that could be integrated.

Originally Posted By: vyrago
I would gladly pay for a kickstarter that involved something based around EEAH/EECH.


I was thinking kickstarter, but I think making it commercial would invalidate the licence under which the source code was released. Although I don't know who would now be checking it.

However, this thread has inspired me to start learning more about DirectX 9. I have a library of books on the subject available through my work, and I've already started reading one.

I don't see any reason, at this time, why the GFX couldn't be upgraded. It's just the time needed to do it that is limiting. Is there nowhere that we could appeal for a kind hearted graphics developer to come on board and help us out? The only payment would be plaudits.

#3749621 - 03/12/13 03:09 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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It was already spoken about it here a year or two ago(dx9) I do not remember by whom, and the results were very bad.
The same transition  on DX9 gave nothing, because everything looked very ugly.Probably in the thread about the ogre was talking about.

Here http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3127576/2

#3749639 - 03/12/13 03:29 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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You know....I could live with the graphics as they are. Even just seeing them up to EECH 2 level would also be nice. What I really want to see is more gameplay, campaigns, flyable helos and multiplayer.

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Originally Posted By: joe13
It was already spoken about it here a year or two ago(dx9) I do not remember by whom, and the results were very bad.
The same transition  on DX9 gave nothing, because everything looked very ugly.Probably in the thread about the ogre was talking about.

Here http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3127576/2


That's the thread I've just been reading. I don't think the problem was that it looked ugly. I think it was that there were problems that they couldn't resolve. It was never fully changed over to use DX9.

#3749743 - 03/12/13 05:45 PM Re: The Future? [Re: vyrago]  
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My opinion about graphics - instead of inventing something new we can use what directx7 able to give us. dx7 can render much more then tetris or something. You can watch some demos from 3DMark 2000 - it uses standard capabilities (just remember it have lowres textures and simple models). For 2000 year it suits only for performance tests. For todays hardware it's absolutely normal workload (only limitation - it uses TnL, Hardware TnL supports only by reference cards, with integrated graphics this effects will load CPU). Textures and effects are already good, game just need some lights, shadows and shaders. It will not make new game, but will give +1 to GFX.

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