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#3743446 - 03/01/13 03:41 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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What happens when a plane is simply "hit" by the shilka in the simulation? Does it move slower, or just continue on its current path. With the way the shilka works it seems hard only hit a target and not kill. But what happens if you only hit it? Also, is there a way to see what happens when we hit instead of kill with the shilka? With the missiles it is easy because we know the distance of explosion, but the shilka it actually hits the plane, slightly different...


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#3744125 - 03/02/13 12:15 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
What happens when a plane is simply "hit" by the shilka in the simulation? Does it move slower, or just continue on its current path. With the way the shilka works it seems hard only hit a target and not kill. But what happens if you only hit it? Also, is there a way to see what happens when we hit instead of kill with the shilka? With the missiles it is easy because we know the distance of explosion, but the shilka it actually hits the plane, slightly different...

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After a plane hit, it maximum speed is limited, its jamming stops, and depending on situation, it either continues its flightpath, or turn away from the threat.


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#3744584 - 03/03/13 05:40 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Who will help the Mission Cairo 1970.

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#3749248 - 03/11/13 07:33 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3749327 - 03/11/13 10:04 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: piston79]  
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Nice find!

#3753351 - 03/19/13 09:29 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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i see somthing different between this 2 pictures !


i mark with red sign somthing looks like a lens of camera! what is it ?

Ps: at first image we do not see anything like twice picture confused

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#3753356 - 03/19/13 09:55 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Huh? It is right there above the scope. The mounting is 'above' & 'infront of' the scope panel so appears to the right of the scope near the handle. The box obscuring the foreground of the second image is someway off the left of the first image...

That would be the optical sight ~ looks pretty similar to those in other AFV.

#3753449 - 03/19/13 02:04 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
i see somthing different between this 2 pictures !
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i mark with red sign somthing looks like a lens of camera! what is it ?

Ps: at first image we do not see anything like twice picture confused


Stereoscopic optical range-finder against ground targets.


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#3755465 - 03/22/13 01:14 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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question from hpasp

in libya mission .... we can keep transmitter ON for a long time ! so why no one do not fire any harm missile to us ?

#3755520 - 03/22/13 02:24 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Because HARMs are expensive and ZSU-23-4s are a low priority target. Pilots were usually forbidden to waste them on Shilkas.

#3759898 - 03/30/13 10:12 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Offtopic, but illustrates the power of 30 mm gun shell:


#3760032 - 03/30/13 06:34 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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That is a high capacity mine shell which is very different from a modern shell (or *most* shell types of that period).

20mm MGFFM and 20mm MG151/20 fired:
conventional HEI shells 115g, with 3.7g of HE
mine-geschoss HE shells 92g, with 20.4g of HE
plus various AP rounds

30mm MK108 fired:
mine-geschoss HE shells 330g, with 82.5g of HE
plus AP rounds (of very limited effectiveness due to low velocity)

The Soviet 23mm VYa (predecessor to the ZSU) was using:
HE shells 200g, with 14g of HE
AP shells 200g, with 6g of HE but better penetration than any of the above weapons.

While the Mk108 could do that much damage with one hit, it is likely that each hit from a VYa round would damage an area much less than a quarter of that (roughly cubic relationship with charge weight, for radius (half for the lighter charge) ~ squared for area)

#3760036 - 03/30/13 06:51 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste

While the Mk108 could do that much damage with one hit, it is likely that each hit from a VYa round would damage an area much less than a quarter of that (roughly cubic relationship with charge weight, for radius (half for the lighter charge) ~ squared for area)


If I found more suitable video, I'll share it... yep

#3781724 - 05/13/13 06:32 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have a question, how different would the operators' experiences be if the vehicle was moving during firing? I would certainly imagine that the gyroscope would be very important. Would anything be different besides that?

#3783511 - 05/17/13 01:03 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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ok guys , say cheez

#3783597 - 05/17/13 03:58 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Wow nice is that an iranian shilka

#3783940 - 05/18/13 05:23 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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The guy is wearing a shirt with the new Libyan flag on it, so I'd guess Libyan Shilka.

#3783969 - 05/18/13 07:29 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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they are arab and they wrote something arabic words on shilka turret !
its not iranian.

#3785415 - 05/21/13 03:25 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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none the less, it is still a nice shilka!

#3806435 - 07/08/13 12:51 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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today , i was at tehran war meuseum !

after it .... Spider man is dead / call me Fpider man ! biggrin





PS: i try to access to turret door in up of shilka ! but door is locket !
,,, also i try several times to open it but it not to be open !

and shilka bullet


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