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#3740403 - 02/23/13 11:15 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka ***** [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
Apart from the ones you posted earlier you mean? Just before you changed the lethality composition.


Correct


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#3740407 - 02/23/13 11:17 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
hpasp ... angle officer with what thing can open fire on target? by triger ? pedal ? switch ? bump
do you have any picture of it ? confused


Trigger, or Pedal.


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#3740464 - 02/23/13 03:22 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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I was able to shoot down three planes in Libya. I think the reason why it is very hard to hit the first f-11 is due to the fact that the simulation starts late, meaning that it is very difficult to start up the Shilka fast enough to get the radar online. In other sams with quick start time (and longer ranges...) it is easier to hit the first plane... but then we have HARMs and the like to deal with...

#3740505 - 02/23/13 05:49 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Question for Hpasp?

And when will the Russian translation of documentation

#3740887 - 02/24/13 12:38 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

Question for Hpasp?

And when will the Russian translation of documentation


Please do not mistake, I only release Hungarian and English manuals.
All the other languages were translated by SAMSIM enthusiasts in their free time.

I have no idea, when it will be done.


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#3740898 - 02/24/13 01:23 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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I figured just asked!

The question is more interesting to me another Mission in Cairo, about 1970.

Where there's purpose and how to find it on the radar screen.

On the map I see, and on the radar, I had several times tried.

#3740899 - 02/24/13 01:26 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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The Mission of Eldorado just fine there can be seen on the map and on the radar target is fine, but in Cairo 1970 everywhere trying to in any way.

I do not know maybe I am not the boring, so choose on a map location.

On the map I see perfectly, but on the radar.

#3740928 - 02/24/13 02:38 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

I figured just asked!

The question is more interesting to me another Mission in Cairo, about 1970.

Where there's purpose and how to find it on the radar screen.

On the map I see, and on the radar, I had several times tried.



dear.. why u posting two posts at one time ?
this coulb be confuser reason for who want answer to you question ~

any way....

personally i dont understand what is your mean !!!!?????
your meant was , you cant find any target at cairo scenarios ? OR you cant choose the correct situation on map ?

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#3740947 - 02/24/13 03:54 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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In 1970 Operation Cairo I see Targets on the map, and on the radar can not see.

Map I see circles on 50,100, 150, 200 km, and that if a radar Shilka only 20 km can!

Targets outside areas of shooting and what to do?

I do not know what to do and how to capture the target on the radar!

Next, I do not know what to choose 5/9 or 5/12!

The goal is not visible, odir times saw feet was out of reach!

On the map I see goals, but do not see on the radar.

I see only the reflection from the Earth!

#3740960 - 02/24/13 04:20 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Try exporting an after action report into google earth:

The planes that you can hit come from the West (~270 degrees going clockwise).

In my image I think I held down the trigger a bit too long. I knew that there was a formation, so I thought I might be able to hit more than one. In the lower right corner you can see that I was shooting at the moon, but other than that I think I did pretty well this time.

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#3740967 - 02/24/13 04:38 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

In 1970 Operation Cairo I see Targets on the map, and on the radar can not see.

Map I see circles on 50,100, 150, 200 km, and that if a radar Shilka only 20 km can!

Targets outside areas of shooting and what to do?

I do not know what to do and how to capture the target on the radar!

Next, I do not know what to choose 5/9 or 5/12!

The goal is not visible, odir times saw feet was out of reach!

On the map I see goals, but do not see on the radar.

I see only the reflection from the Earth!



at twice scenario for shilka[VI. 30. - 18:18] ! best situation for attack is 5/10 and 5/11

at third scenario[VI. 30. - 19:12] for shilka ! only situation for attacking is 5/10

at fourth scenario
[VII. 2. - 16:30] for shilka ! best situation for attacking is 5/3



this pictur toke from fourth scenario for shilka !

number 1 : ground reflections
number 2 : several targets near together



second try... with ground clutter (ON)




PS: in lybia mission... f-111 flow near the beach and directly fly over the water head !
so water do no show any reflection to radar! so you can catch them all ...
but cairo... is little hard than libya ... they fly very near to ground... maybe 10 or 20 meters over the ground (i guess)...
so you have to search for moving sign, over the scope (very close to ground reflections) !
they are shinin , and you can see them on tracking scope like little shinin stars. !


i love this pro AAR biggrin
Click to reveal..
16:30pm 2nd of July 1970
Day-2, attack on the Cairo air defense system.

Targets:
3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
4 A-4E Ahit

ZSU-23-4V1


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:02, SNR ON AIR



00:07:30 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 4994m
Target azimuth: 303
Target elevation: 7
Tu: 8.5s

00:07:31 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 56pcs.



00:07:33 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 4270m
Target azimuth: 299
Target elevation: 6
Tu: 6.1s

00:07:34 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 64pcs.



00:07:36 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 3362m
Target azimuth: 295
Target elevation: 6
Tu: 4.5s

00:07:37 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 68pcs.



00:07:39 ZSU-23-4V1 opened fire by all tubes.
Target distance: 2507m
Target azimuth: 287
Target elevation: 5
Tu: 3.1s

00:07:41 ZSU-23-4V1 closed fire, and shot 72pcs.


00:07:41 A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade hit by OFZT.

00:07:41 A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by BZT.

Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 57sec

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#3740979 - 02/24/13 05:10 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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I'll try again for your advice!

I chose normally as in the picture, where the closer I usually chose 5/9 and 5/12.

Yes, but how can F-4 the Supersonic fly at an altitude of 20 meters!

#3740981 - 02/24/13 05:12 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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at twice scenario for shilka[VI. 30. - 18:18] ! best situation for attack is 5/10 and 5/11

Here I usually chose the other 5/9 and 5/12.

#3740994 - 02/24/13 05:36 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012
Yes, but how can F-4 the Supersonic fly at an altitude of 20 meters!


how ? because of this aircraft is a LEGEND !




check this video and find your answer biggrin
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd3_1176139335

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#3740998 - 02/24/13 05:44 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yeah cool, certainly above the water if the mountains do not turn out.

Fly at supersonic speed at low altitude to the skill of the pilot.

Yes, but the water above the surface, I think it's very difficult.

#3741007 - 02/24/13 06:21 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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Issue and what to do here?

VI. 30. - 10:22

VI. 30. - 10:22 I mean the goal here is not present, and what better to choose?


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#3741035 - 02/24/13 07:34 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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farokh's suggestions are great! I tried them out and they work. Now I must practice more so I can get them all in the spray!

Max, maybe 5/9. From the map it doesn't seem easy to hit anything.

#3741055 - 02/24/13 08:39 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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I understand I will try!

About VI. 30. - 10:22

I will also try to, well, to choose what I do not know.

Try 5/9, usually chose 5/11 or 5/12

#3741293 - 02/25/13 11:32 AM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012
Issue and what to do here?

VI. 30. - 10:22

VI. 30. - 10:22 I mean the goal here is not present, and what better to choose?



dude! forget this one ! ok ?
you can try just to find deal targets at 3 senarios ! and please do not make 2 posts at one time ! please ...

#3741328 - 02/25/13 01:42 PM Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka [Re: Hpasp]  
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VI. 30. - 10:22

That is, this developer has done nothing!

How to take it and forget it the first mission in Cairo in 1970

Why then is the mission generally made of?

And yet she did more to the liking of all, just like it!

As always, it turns out that I can not perform to their liking!

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