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#3730583 - 02/04/13 08:22 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Originally Posted By: Desert Eagle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882


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Richard III dig: DNA confirms bones are king's

A skeleton found beneath a Leicester car park has been confirmed as that of English king Richard III.

Experts from the University of Leicester said DNA from the bones matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.

Lead archaeologist Richard Buckley, from the University of Leicester, told a press conference to applause: "Beyond reasonable doubt it's Richard."


Just by the DNA evidence along, it only means the bones belongs to an ascendant of whoever they are trying to match.

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#3730655 - 02/04/13 10:47 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Yes but would be amazing that 2 of them had the same spinal deformity.


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#3730663 - 02/04/13 10:58 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: mucat]  
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Originally Posted By: mucat
Originally Posted By: Desert Eagle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882


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Richard III dig: DNA confirms bones are king's

A skeleton found beneath a Leicester car park has been confirmed as that of English king Richard III.

Experts from the University of Leicester said DNA from the bones matched that of descendants of the monarch's family.

Lead archaeologist Richard Buckley, from the University of Leicester, told a press conference to applause: "Beyond reasonable doubt it's Richard."


Just by the DNA evidence along, it only means the bones belongs to an ascendant of whoever they are trying to match.


Yes, and only one known ancestor, buried in that place, with that age, killed in that way, whose bones dates back to that period, matches the description. It's not like there are a billion Plantagenets from around the 1500s.

#3730675 - 02/04/13 11:13 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Death by,
swipe to the top of the head by sword ,
skull penetrating dagger wound,
massive base of skull trauma caused by sword.

It looked like that his helmet was dislodged in battle and a sword skimmed the top of his head and took a slice of skull and tissue which probably stunned him and he fell to his knees.Then a dagger was pushed into the top of his head which caused a penetrating fracture and finally a coup de grace swing of a sword into the back of head/neck region which fractured a piece of bone from the occipital region allowing brain matter to be visible.
As he was lead away from the battlefield positioned over a saddle on his stomach,some one stuck a dagger in his bottom.


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#3730698 - 02/04/13 11:58 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Wonder if he was under the handicap parking space?

University site has info on ID.

http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/


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#3730756 - 02/05/13 02:02 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Originally Posted By: tony draper
It is Richard Plantagenet


No, it's Chuck Testa!


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#3730808 - 02/05/13 04:51 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: Mace71]  
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Originally Posted By: MaceUK33
Yes but would be amazing that 2 of them had the same spinal deformity.


You know what they say about spinal deformity.

"The Hump is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it and...my cousin has it"

#3730846 - 02/05/13 06:56 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Isn't the name/style "Richard Plantagenet", while correct, usually reserved for his more famous relative Richard I (aka. the Lionhearted)?

#3730858 - 02/05/13 07:43 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: mucat]  
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Originally Posted By: mucat
Originally Posted By: MaceUK33
Yes but would be amazing that 2 of them had the same spinal deformity.


You know what they say about spinal deformity.

"The Hump is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it and...my cousin has it"


That's strange, no ladies have humps, lovely lady lumps in your family?


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#3730867 - 02/05/13 08:23 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: Ibex]  
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Originally Posted By: Ibex
Isn't the name/style "Richard Plantagenet", while correct, usually reserved for his more famous relative Richard I (aka. the Lionhearted)?


No, Plantagenet is their family name/line, so it is used for all members of that family.

From wiki:

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Richard Plantagenet may refer to:
Richard I of England (1157–1199), also known as Richard the Lionheart, third son of King Henry II of England
Richard, 1st Earl of Cornwall (1209–1272), second son of John of England and younger brother of Henry III of England
Richard II of England (1367–1400), son of Edward, the Black Prince
Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York (1411–1460), father of Edward IV of England
Richard III of England (1452–1485), the last Plantagenet king, son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York
Richard Plantagenet (Richard of Eastwell) (1469–1550), possible illegitimate son of Richard III of England
Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (1473–1483), second son of Edward IV of England and younger brother of Edward V of England
Richard Plantagenet (1476–1477), youngest child of George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence

#3730887 - 02/05/13 09:38 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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An unmissable commercial opportunity. Stick a roof over the site and charge a tenner for admission.

Can't fail. We will all want to see the last English king to die in battle.


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#3730905 - 02/05/13 10:57 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Originally Posted By: tony draper
Absolutely brilliant,the four history plays Richard II, Henry IV part 1,Henry IV part 2 and of course Henry V,made for the jubilee year,never been done better an I am a great fan of the Bards History plays.


Watched Henry V last night. Not bad, some of the editing choices of the text were interesting and some really let me wondering. Same with the characters, some were great, some not so great. I thought Henry lacked the gravitas that made him as deep and dark as he really was.

Henry's threatening of the governor at Harfleur also lacked the darker quality it should have had.

But all in all I did enjoy it. Thanks for letting me know about it. cheers


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#3730915 - 02/05/13 11:52 AM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted By: EAF331 MadDog
Originally Posted By: Ibex
Isn't the name/style "Richard Plantagenet", while correct, usually reserved for his more famous relative Richard I (aka. the Lionhearted)?


No, Plantagenet is their family name/line, so it is used for all members of that family.

From wiki:

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Richard Plantagenet may refer to:
Richard I of England (1157–1199), also known as Richard the Lionheart, third son of King Henry II of England
Richard, 1st Earl of Cornwall (1209–1272), second son of John of England and younger brother of Henry III of England
Richard II of England (1367–1400), son of Edward, the Black Prince
Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York (1411–1460), father of Edward IV of England
Richard III of England (1452–1485), the last Plantagenet king, son of Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Duke of York
Richard Plantagenet (Richard of Eastwell) (1469–1550), possible illegitimate son of Richard III of England
Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York (1473–1483), second son of Edward IV of England and younger brother of Edward V of England
Richard Plantagenet (1476–1477), youngest child of George Plantagenet, 1st Duke of Clarence


Yes, I am aware of that (see the phrasing "while correct"). However, as one of the Richards of the family is vastly more famous than the rest (thanks to sir Walter Scott and his likes), my impression is that if one want to refer to some of "the other" Richards, one would usually try to be more specific (e.g. Richard III). Might be that I'm wrong though.

#3731133 - 02/05/13 06:21 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: Timothy]  
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Originally Posted By: Timothy
Originally Posted By: mucat
Originally Posted By: MaceUK33
Yes but would be amazing that 2 of them had the same spinal deformity.


You know what they say about spinal deformity.

"The Hump is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it and...my cousin has it"


That's strange, no ladies have humps, lovely lady lumps in your family?


That's not what I heard.


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#3731194 - 02/05/13 07:50 PM Re: It is Richard Plantagenet [Re: tony draper]  
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Lol, U96, you're right biggrin

He better be buried in York and not Leicester (pronounced Lester not Ly-sester for all you Americans biggrin ), bring him back to Yorkshire!


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Oh my god! Lord Farquad was based on Richard III!


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