#3716587 - 01/12/13 04:09 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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I feel your pain. I still do not understand why they do not include a readme file with that info.
Not home right now, need to check, but it could be when you install game update v 581.exe you didnt point out where your install is, else it will try to patch in the default install directory.
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#3716626 - 01/12/13 05:35 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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Incase you want to try again Mags, here's how I updated: 1.Installed game from Gamersgate. 2.Run the V5.81.exe - Making sure that I pointed it to the correct installation location, mine was in Program Files (x86) 3.once that installed I clicked install on the bottom left of the subsequent pop up and navigated to my 'patch aug12.g2extension' download and opened it. 4. clicked 'start & play' in the bottom right of the pop up once installation of the patch had completed. 5.I then started the game and in the top right it now said version 5.81. Click that and it brings up the update pop up again. Click install again and browse to the 'upd_taran_rakitn_aug12.g2extension'. Once that is installed click 'start & play'. You should be all patched up and ready
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#3716738 - 01/12/13 08:28 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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None of the patches I downloaded were in zip format.
Either way it's still the same process, rather than just double clicking a .exe file like 99% of other games. Its a bad but common way, but very bad. First then the game should be sold from the one source (which is impossible), or else we'll have a bunch of different patches for each version of the game, which creates confusion and disorder. Second, download Exe files from Internet and run them on your computer is not good - swear antivirus and OS, especially if it has no objective reasons. Third, our system allows you to roll back the patch properly, without reinstalling the game. The number of actions that should do practically the same just for the exe file.
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#3716740 - 01/12/13 08:37 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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Third, our system allows you to roll back the patch properly, without reinstalling the game. The number of actions that should do practically the same just for the exe file.
Yea..thats the good part of the Game Updater. Its makes it easy to install/uninstall, enable/disable patches and mods.
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#3717583 - 01/14/13 01:50 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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None of the patches I downloaded were in zip format.
Either way it's still the same process, rather than just double clicking a .exe file like 99% of other games. Its a bad but common way, but very bad. First then the game should be sold from the one source (which is impossible), or else we'll have a bunch of different patches for each version of the game, which creates confusion and disorder. Second, download Exe files from Internet and run them on your computer is not good - swear antivirus and OS, especially if it has no objective reasons. Third, our system allows you to roll back the patch properly, without reinstalling the game. The number of actions that should do practically the same just for the exe file. many games are sold from different sources, I've never seen confusion and disorder from finding the correct patch from a company's website. People download a .exe file to install the game in the first place. I've never had a virus from a game or game patch. Roll back is good. Yes it's almost the same number of clicks, but someone new to the game has to learn the convulted patch process to learn those few clicks. Not very inviting for the new player. Most would think 'if this is what I have to do just to get the game going, what about when I'm playing the thing?', but then I suppose they'd be right. It's a great game it really is, but it's tough on the beginner not because of the complexity of the game but in the baffling lack of intuitive processes, menus and tutorials. Edit: I really want to emphasise here that I am not slating the work for have done on the game, it is fantastic, I am merely saying that a readme file for the beginner etc would make the game much more accessable for the first time user.
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#3717596 - 01/14/13 02:30 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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many games are sold from different sources, I've never seen confusion and disorder from finding the correct patch from a company's website. It is clear that sooner or later will find the right one. The question arises why is it necessary? This is an obvious drawback, but you indicate (fight) with the shortcomings of our system. What sense justify the deficiencies for another? Let's be objective People download a .exe file to install the game in the first place. I've never had a virus from a game or game patch.
This does not change the fact that it is the most insecure form of patches. But the most common system for patches - from the Steam does not use exe files too. It might be worth to write to Steam what they do not understand how to do the patches? I am worried about Valve and Steam a little bit .
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#3717689 - 01/14/13 05:21 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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many games are sold from different sources, I've never seen confusion and disorder from finding the correct patch from a company's website. It is clear that sooner or later will find the right one. The question arises why is it necessary? This is an obvious drawback, but you indicate (fight) with the shortcomings of our system. What sense justify the deficiencies for another? Let's be objective People download a .exe file to install the game in the first place. I've never had a virus from a game or game patch.
This does not change the fact that it is the most insecure form of patches. But the most common system for patches - from the Steam does not use exe files too. It might be worth to write to Steam what they do not understand how to do the patches? I am worried about Valve and Steam a little bit . Sorry I do not understand your first point. The second point, Steams ptaching system is automatic and therefore much simpler than either system so kind of a moot point. It's a little confusing at first but thats just because it a different method then were use too. Once you have done it a couple times it becomes ol'hat Detailed tutorials on the other hand I feel are much more community driven and based. Most game developers give you the very basics (some better then others mind you) and it's up to the players of said game to discover and share the more finer detailed "how too" points. Unfortunatley for many of us Prima has no interest in these types of games Yeah you do get the hang of it, but it's not a good sign for a new player that they have to research how to patch a game for 45 minutes before playing. I'm not say we need a Prima guide, and I'm not saying I"m someone who can't figure things out for themself. I'm stating that the gui is unintuitive and the tutorial next to useless and this is a bit of a hurdle to get over before even learning the actual game. I'm all for discovering how to play a game but intuitive GUIs assist in getting into the game. It's funny that my.comments are being taken as the first you have heard this.
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#3717710 - 01/14/13 06:01 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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What's wrong with the interface? Developers need specific description to improve something. As of me, I find existing GUI pretty intuitive (with some little quirks), why you think it is unintuitive? Where you found a tutorial, cause I didn't. Oh, and patch system is really easy. 5.81 exe is only a one time requirement, other updates are (and will be) only in those gt2extension things. Just drop the update (gt2extension) onto update.cmd and - voila! - it magically get updated.
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#3717718 - 01/14/13 06:20 PM
Re: APOS Patching help
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Interface, I'll make a list, but off the top of my head multiple ways of doing the same thing, strange format of menus in main menu, use of lots of symbols when a word will do. It's like the designers have gone out of their way to make everything different from other games but to the extreme, when the reason alot of games have the same styles of menus etc is because it works and is tried and tested, and most importantly intuitive.
Tutorial it asks when you start the game, do you want to run the tutorial.
I know it's easy to patch the little updates when you know how. I'm talking about the first time user. There isn't a readme explaining how the patching system works etc.
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