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#3823081 - 08/16/13 08:50 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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where is the great man?
who hide between code lines
Immersed between sea of love and launch
i wasting my dream to imagine
maybe one night.....
he come to my dream like zeus
and i hear something under his lips
like croon by weak matrix sound
some days we will meet the dead angel
some days you will see each other
some days ...
you will see
the KAVARDAT
for this moment...
i wasting my dream ....
like a butterfly that revolve
around the candle
till some days
he lost his wings
and keep silence
near the dreams










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#3823124 - 08/16/13 01:50 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: farokh]  
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Preparation for live firing event...



...in Ustka.





Meteor targets.



Hungarian KUB Regiment commander.



from here:
http://legiero.blog.hu/2013/07/16/kozeleg_az_igazsag_pillanata_magyar_lerak_magyar_celanyagra

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#3823169 - 08/16/13 03:38 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
where is the great man?
who hide between code lines
Immersed between sea of love and launch
i wasting my dream to imagine
maybe one night.....
he come to my dream like zeus
and i hear something under his lips
like croon by weak matrix sound
some days we will meet the dead angel
some days you will see each other
some days ...
you will see
the KAVARDAT
for this moment...
i wasting my dream ....
like a butterfly that revolve
around the candle
till some days
he lost his wings
and keep silence
near the dreams





You, re one of not many, that wrote poems for ADS! Must be proud!

#3826093 - 08/23/13 07:56 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3826112 - 08/23/13 09:38 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


it seems hungarian defense men really need KUB in service and they dont want retire it ....... sadly frown
hpasp... where could you find another KUB? just in hungary ?

#3827514 - 08/26/13 04:41 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3850195 - 10/15/13 11:37 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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HAAA haaa HAAAAAAAA

bulgarian KUB make great sence !

piton79 ...! what dont you make any news in this froum about it ?
i guess this kind of happened is very routine and normal in bulgaria air defense right ? rofl


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#3850214 - 10/15/13 01:03 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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hpasp... maybe in your country you can touch the sa-6 missiles
and maybe you know about them better than internet source
... i never see any KUB in my life... till now

so here is the questions on my mind ...
upper pic i guess its yours right ?

so what different is here between upper missile with dark color
and downer missile with white color ?

sam crews could arm this 2 types of missiles in one launcher ?
and witch one is better ?



#3850269 - 10/15/13 03:15 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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This book describes the difference of these two types of missiles (3M9M1, 3M9M3)...
SA-6_Gainful_in_Detail_-_Soviet_Anti-aircraft_Mobile_Rocket_System

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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3850381 - 10/15/13 06:52 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
HAAA haaa HAAAAAAAA

bulgarian KUB make great sence !

piton79 ...! what dont you make any news in this froum about it ?
i guess this kind of happened is very routine and normal in bulgaria air defense right ? rofl



New jamming technic,if you are interest ...
They just fired smoke grenates as a counter measure for possible incoming anti radiation missile !

#3850384 - 10/15/13 06:58 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: ePap]  
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Originally Posted By: ePap
Originally Posted By: farokh
HAAA haaa HAAAAAAAA

bulgarian KUB make great sence !

piton79 ...! what dont you make any news in this froum about it ?
i guess this kind of happened is very routine and normal in bulgaria air defense right ? rofl



New jamming technic,if you are interest ...
They just fired smoke grenates as a counter measure for possible incoming anti radiation missile !

smile2

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#3850395 - 10/15/13 07:10 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
HAAA haaa HAAAAAAAA
bulgarian KUB make great sence !
piton79 ...! what dont you make any news in this froum about it ?
i guess this kind of happened is very routine and normal in bulgaria air defense right ? rofl


No news here... it was in 2009, nobody get hurt.... Old ammo I guess...

Dedicated to Faroukh:



(It is not allowed to jerk off on it, Faroukh... biggrin )

#3854066 - 10/25/13 10:55 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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rolleyes

#3896320 - 01/16/14 06:30 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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"The SA-6 is a fantastically fun missile battery to duel with because it isn't very hard to defeat. Plus, the missiles are large, leave a big smoke cloud upon launch, and leave a smoke trail in flight - so they are easy to spot and evade. Putting the radar on the beam is very effective at breaking the lock and they are quite easy to stair-step your way toward as you alternately close the distance then beam as each launch occurs..."

... in DCS A-10C.

What's your opinion Hpasp?

#3896434 - 01/16/14 09:21 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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According official Israeli losses in 1973 (110 planes), 105 where because of ground fire (SAM, PZRK, guns)... From those at least 50 (!) where from SA-6 export version (Kvadrat)...

Check here: SA-6

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#3896701 - 01/17/14 08:22 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Tough days for the Israeli Air Force...

A-4 Skyhawk
-1 06-Oct-73 A-4H Ehud Sadan Egyptian AAA, pilot killed
-1 06-Oct-73 Matti Carp Egyptian AAA, pilot recovered
-1 06-Oct-73 A-4H Ishay Catziri Egyptian SA-7, pilot PoW
-1 06-Oct-73 Yanki Yardeni Syrian SAM, pilot recovered
-1 06-Oct-73 Eytan Hanan Syrian SAM, pilot killed
-1 06-Oct-73 Gideon Sharon Syrian SAM, pilot recovered
-1 07-Oct-73 A-4H Libby Dollar Egyptian SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Ze'ev Nesher Syrian AAA/SAM, pilot PoW
-1 07-Oct-73 Zvi Horovitz Syrian SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 A-4E 211 Amnon Shamir Syrian AAA, pilot recovered
-1 07-Oct-73 Israel Rozenblum Syrian AAA/SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Rafael Lev Syrian SAM, pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Moshe Astraicher Egyptian AAA/SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Shimon Ash Syrian SAM, pilot missing
-1 07-Oct-73 Levi Bar-Ziv Egyptian SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Shai Avital Egyptian SAM, Pilot killed
-1 07-Oct-73 Yoram Lapidot Egyptian AA/SAM, pilot killed
-1 08-Oct-73 Zvi Rosen Egyptian SAM, pilot PoW
-1 08-Oct-73 Zvi Bashan Egyptian SAM, pilot killed
-1 08-Oct-73 A-4H Gideon Ben Eliezer Egyptian AAA, pilot killed
-1 08-Oct-73 ? Syrian SAM, pilot recovered
-1 09-Oct-73 Gideon Sharon Syrian SAM, pilot recovered
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4E 218 Lev "Zorik" Arlozor Pilot incapacitated and killed
-1 09-Oct-73 Mario Shaked Egyptian SAM, pilot killed
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4E 209 Ehud Shelach Syrian SA3, pilot killed
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4E 204 Yaniv Litany Egyptian AAA, pilot killed
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4E 821 Assaf Matos Egyptian AAA, pilot PoW
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4H Amon Gardi Egyptian AAA, pilot PoW
-1 09-Oct-73 A-4H Pedro Reinberg Egyptian AAA, pilot PoW
-1 10-Oct-73 A-4E 241 Noach Hertz Syrian SAM, pilot PoW
-1 10-Oct-73 Yehuda Ben-Ari Syrian SAM, pilot killed
-1 11-Oct-73 Itzhak Ofer Syrian SAM, pilot killed
-1 11-Oct-73 Michael Shneider Syrian SAM, pilot PoW
-1 11-Oct-73 A-4H Amiram Guy Syrian SAM, pilot PoW
-1 12-Oct-73 A-4H Israel Baster-Bar Syrian SAM or AAA, pilot killed
-1 13-Oct-73 Gavriel Garzon Syrian SAM or AAA, pilot PoW
-1 13-Oct-73 TA-4 Ran Ofri\Yehuda Shefer Egyptian SAM, Ofri killed at ejection, Shefer recovered
-1 15-Oct-73 ? Syrian AAA, pilot recovered
-1 15-Oct-73 Gavriel Sa'ar Syrian AAA, pilot killed
-1 16-Oct-73 Menachem Eyal Egyptian AAA, pilot killed
-1 16-Oct-73 Maoz Poraz Egyptian AAA, pilot killed
-1 18-Oct-73 A-4H Gershon Reshef Egyptian SAM, pilot killed
-1 18-Oct-73 A-4H Gideon Sharon Egyptian SAM, pilot PoW
-1 18-Oct-73 A-4H Haim Gofen Egyptian SAM, pilot recovered
-1 18-Oct-73 A-4H 03 Jacob Kubik Egyptian SAM, crew recovered
-1 21-Oct-73 Eitan Lahav Syrian AAA, pilot killed

F-4E Phantom-II
-1 06-Oct-73 F-4E Issaschar Naveh/David Silberman Egyptian SAM, crew killed in crash landing in Hatzerim
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E Ehud Hankin/Shaul Levi Syrian SAM, crew killed
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 615 Gad Smoch/Avikam Lif Syrian SAM, Samok managed to land, Lif PoW
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 177 Ami Elkelei/Shuki (Yehoshua) Wolfson Syrian SAM, crew PoW (69-7242?)
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 661 Chaim Ram/Itzik Yahav Syrian SAM, crew PoW (October 8?)
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 92 Avi Barber/ Zvi Afik Syrian SAM, crew PoW
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 645 Meir Shani/Avraham Asa'el Syrian SAM, crew PoW (October 8?)
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 621 Uri Shackak/Gil'ad Gerber Syrian SAM, crew PoW (October 8?)
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 3 Eitan Levi/David Syrian SAM, crew recovered
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E 682 Kobi Hayun/Uzi Syrian SAM, crew ejected over Safed and recovered (October 8?)
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E Dvir/Refaeli Crew rescued
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E One crewmember rescued
-1 07-Oct-73 F-4E Crew rescued
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E 245 Zebulun Amitzi/Ze'ev Yogev Egyptian SAM crew killed (71-1781)
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E 247 Michael Dvir/Shabtai Ben-Shu'a Egyptian AAA, crew recovered
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E Uri Shani/Dror Jaffe Egyptian SAM, crew killed
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E 215 or 179 Yoram Peled/Boaz Lerner Crew recovered
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E Yahalom/Mor Crew recovered
-1 08-Oct-73 F-4E Yoram Shachar/Gur Israeli Syrian SAM, crew PoW
-1 09-Oct-73 F-4E Dov Shafir/Yaaov Yaacobi Syrian SAM, Shafir killed, Yaacobi PoW
-1 09-Oct-73 F-4E Aharon Sagi/Hazan Crew recovered
-1 09-Oct-73 F-4E 181 Harel Gilutz/Yosef Ye'ari Syrian SAM crew rescued
-1 11-Oct-73 F-4E 640 Kobi Hayun/ Uri Arad Egyptian MiG-21, crew PoW (68-0456?)
-1 11-Oct-73 F-4E 673 Yonatan Ofir/Eran Cohen Egyptian MiG-21, Ofir killed on capture, Cohen killed (68-0525)
-1 11-Oct-73 F-4E Arad/Israel Primor AAA or SAM, crew PoW in Lebanon
-1 11-Oct-73 F-4E Asher Snir/? AAA or SAM, crew recovered
-1 12-Oct-73 F-4E 90 Moshe Koren/Nimrod Lebanese AAA, crew ejected over base and recovered
-1 12-Oct-73 F-4E 151 Ran Goren/Micha Oren Egyptian MiG-21, crew recovered (71-0225)
-1 13-Oct-73 F-4E 618 Ady Bnaya/David Ya'ir Syrian AAA, crew recovered
-1 13-Oct-73 F-4E 697 Iftach Zemer/Itzhak Amitai Technical malfunction, crew recovered
-1 14-Oct-73 F-4E David Zeit/Eli Tovel Egypt MiG (Qadri al-Hamid) or Hawk SAM, crew recovered
-1 15-Oct-73 F-4E 176 Uri Bakal/Daniel Rosenblat Israeli Nesher (Yair Sela), crew recovered
-1 15-Oct-73 F-4E Binyamin Livne/Rahamim Sofer Egyptian AAA or MiG, Livne PoW, Sofer dies as PoW
-1 17-Oct-73 F-4E 620 Gad Smoch/Baruch Golan Egyptian SAM, crew killed (68-0416?)
-1 18-Oct-73 F-4E 616 Guri Palter/Itzhak Bar'am Egyptian SAM, crew PoW (69-0294?)
-1 18-Oct-73 F-4E 635 Doron Shalev/Yosef Lev-Ari Egyptian SAM, crew PoW (68-0437)
-1 20-Oct-73 F-4E 231 David Zeit/Yoram Rubinstein Egyptian SAM, crew PoW (71-1789)
-1 20-Oct-73 F-4E 142 Aharon Sagi/Moshe Barton Egyptian SAM, crew recovered


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3896983 - 01/17/14 05:37 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Cool, and what about Serbia? I remember only the Scott O'Grady shoot down, and a Mirage 2000, but later revealed it's an Igla kill.

#3897030 - 01/17/14 06:55 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: apelles]  
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Scott OGrady was a KUB kill (149.srp).


During Allied Force, the KUB regiments (60.srp, 230.srp, 240.srp, 310.srp, 311.srp) suffered heavily (25% destroyed - 50% hit), without any result due to the extensive use of the ALE-50.

Last edited by Hpasp; 01/18/14 05:31 AM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3898741 - 01/20/14 08:37 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Does SA-6 has anything to overcome ALE-50 like SA-3 or this system can't do anything against it?

#3898772 - 01/20/14 09:39 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: PN79]  
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Originally Posted By: PN79
Does SA-6 has anything to overcome ALE-50 like SA-3 or this system can't do anything against it?


And what SA-3 have against ALE-50?...

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