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#3697470 - 12/12/12 11:22 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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#3698089 - 12/13/12 09:37 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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czech sa-6 gainful will be retire in 2016
http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes...re-in-2016.html

#3698161 - 12/13/12 01:30 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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So after SAM era dating back to 50's we will be without any SAM :-(

#3713023 - 01/06/13 05:08 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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right now we are in 2013, and in this new year we are hope, to see sa-6 in samsim without any command guided again like nike series
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#3716201 - 01/11/13 10:44 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Sorry, its Hungarian...
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#3733320 - 02/10/13 04:21 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: Hpasp]  
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I just learnt that during ODS, the A-6E which was equipped with the internal ALQ-126A/B ECM system, was supplemented by the ALQ-167 jammer pod to cope with the SA-6.


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#3733450 - 02/10/13 05:31 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: Wolfhound]  
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Originally Posted By: Wolfhound
I just learnt that during ODS, the A-6E which was equipped with the internal ALQ-126A/B ECM system, was supplemented by the ALQ-167 jammer pod to cope with the SA-6.


There are several jamming techniques, that are effective against different types of radar systems.

Denial Jamming:
- Barrage Noise Jamming
- Spot Noise Jamming
- Swept Spot Noise Jamming
- Cover Pulse Noise Jamming
- Modulated Noise Jamming

Deceptive Jamming:
- False Target Jamming
- Range Deception Jamming (Range Gate Pull Off)
- Angle Deception Jamming (Inverse Amplitude Modulation, Inverse Gain Jamming, Swept Square Wave
- Velocity Deception Jamming (Velocity Gate Pull Off, Doppler Noise, Narrow-band Doppler Noise, Doppler False Targets)
- Mono-pulse Deception Jamming (Cross Polarization Jamming, Cross Eye Jamming)


The trick of the KUB is that it use several type of radar systems, to achieve target lock on.
(Doppler Pulse, Monopulse, Semi Active Giudance)


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#3733481 - 02/10/13 07:10 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Hpasp, can you point me to some reading material about how different types of jamming works? Ive read most easy to find stuff but nothing i found went into the details. What the jammers do when they receive radar signal, what they send back and how the radar interprets it...

#3733708 - 02/11/13 11:17 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: Vympel]  
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Originally Posted By: Vympel
Hpasp, can you point me to some reading material about how different types of jamming works? Ive read most easy to find stuff but nothing i found went into the details. What the jammers do when they receive radar signal, what they send back and how the radar interprets it...


"Essentials of Electronic Warfare Book" is quite good,


also

"The History of U.S. Electronic Warfare Vol III"

is nice.

You can also open a new topic if you want, where we could discuss the different methods.

Last edited by Hpasp; 02/11/13 11:19 AM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3733748 - 02/11/13 02:20 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Thanks, I will see if I can find those books. The first one has a small picture, could you tell me who the author is?

It would be nice to have a topic just for EW, I will see if I can think of something nice to write as intro to the subject.

#3734801 - 02/13/13 02:15 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: Wolfhound
I just learnt that during ODS, the A-6E which was equipped with the internal ALQ-126A/B ECM system, was supplemented by the ALQ-167 jammer pod to cope with the SA-6.


There are several jamming techniques, that are effective against different types of radar systems.

Denial Jamming:
- Barrage Noise Jamming
- Spot Noise Jamming
- Swept Spot Noise Jamming
- Cover Pulse Noise Jamming
- Modulated Noise Jamming

Deceptive Jamming:
- False Target Jamming
- Range Deception Jamming (Range Gate Pull Off)
- Angle Deception Jamming (Inverse Amplitude Modulation, Inverse Gain Jamming, Swept Square Wave
- Velocity Deception Jamming (Velocity Gate Pull Off, Doppler Noise, Narrow-band Doppler Noise, Doppler False Targets)
- Mono-pulse Deception Jamming (Cross Polarization Jamming, Cross Eye Jamming)


The trick of the KUB is that it use several type of radar systems, to achieve target lock on.
(Doppler Pulse, Monopulse, Semi Active Giudance)

Thanks for the info Hpasp cheers

I agree with you about having a separate EW thread. It's a very interesting topic and would be great to discuss real world scenarios as well as theory. I know I have many questions, so perhaps I'll start a new topic. smile


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#3740983 - 02/24/13 05:18 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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#3773816 - 04/26/13 08:51 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6pziPYZtWI&feature=player_embedded#!


What about these video? Really that easy evade a Kub? Even in a game?

#3773978 - 04/27/13 03:44 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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That's Flaming Cliffs 2. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and it says it's based on DCS.

I know for a fact that the SAMs in DCS are a cartoon. They're not even remotely accurately simulated, and jamming isn't accurately simulated either.

That said, the SA-6 is pretty old. I have no doubt a modern jammer is very good at confusing the simple brain inside an SA-6.

#3774012 - 04/27/13 06:38 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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I think this is falcon 4. But what surprise me, a few semi hard turn and the missile brake lock?

Jamming is another thing, that's believable.

#3774015 - 04/27/13 07:01 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Ah, the creator of the video said Flaming Cliffs 2 in the comments below. That's why I didn't think it was Falcon 4.

I found this http://download.high-g.net/files/Falcon_4_Manuals/f4_threat_quickguide.pdf

A lot of information in that manual for Falcon 4 is wrong, so I don't think it's very accurate simulation of the SAMs.

#3774017 - 04/27/13 07:26 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Yes. Lots of confidence created in the flight sim community (and of course in me) by poorly represented SAMs and AAAs.


The AA-11/AA-12 represented like a death ray, while the sa-2/3/4/5 like a fireworks.

#3774019 - 04/27/13 07:38 AM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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Sa-3 maneuverability : low?
Sa-4 terminal guide SARH ????
Sa-5 terminal guide ARH ??? the ARH guide is extremely vulnerable to jam, and chaff?

#3774061 - 04/27/13 12:08 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: apelles]  
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Originally Posted By: apelles
Sa-3 maneuverability : low?
Sa-4 terminal guide SARH ????
Sa-5 terminal guide ARH ??? the ARH guide is extremely vulnerable to jam, and chaff?


rolleyes


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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#3774091 - 04/27/13 02:10 PM Re: SA-6 Gainful [Re: wasserfall]  
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guys ! please get deep thinking !

samsim is a another thing than one virtual flight game !!!
it created by real parameters and real algorithm ! "as i know"
graphical sams shape on DCS is good and very hot ! but when u see DCS sams mechanism !!! you will understand that its was just a game

PS: i have DCS A-10 , and i try tens time with all of sams systems... from sa-3 till c-300 ! and i understand what is real simulated on it !
"just launch time"
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