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#3684597 - 11/19/12 01:45 AM S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD  
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I was just wondering if Mr. Hpasp, or anyone, knows if it would be possible to include the S-25 Berkut; the earliest soviet SAM. I understand it would be like an older SA-2F, and that documentation and reference for it may be unexistant; but still i wonder if it's possible. I'm intrigued at how this system would work compared to the S-75




http://bobrowen.com/nymas/defendingthekremlin.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-25.htm
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-A.html#mozTocId357043

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#3684623 - 11/19/12 03:38 AM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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I'm not an expert in the slightest, so I could be wrong. But isn't the SA-1 manned by a lot of people? I've read it's capable of engaging a large number of targets at once. It could be out of the ability of a single person to operate.

#3684937 - 11/19/12 05:50 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
I'm not an expert in the slightest, so I could be wrong. But isn't the SA-1 manned by a lot of people? I've read it's capable of engaging a large number of targets at once. It could be out of the ability of a single person to operate.


The Berkut (SA-1) could fight 20 targets parallel.
It had 4 guidance stations manned by 2 officers each, and one station could handle 5 targets.

[At the S-300PS (SA-10B) system, two officer could handle 6 targets.]



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#3684945 - 11/19/12 06:01 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Wow! That's crazy. I also read that the system was meant to defend against a THOUSAND BOMBER RAID; so yeah.. i guess it's beyond the ability of one person. But then again, i would think that of the SA-5! I wonder if it would be impossible to make the system work with a single console.. anyhow; it's an interesting thought, i would sure pay to handle that thousand-bomber raid. I understand that "Strategic" SAM's like the SA-5 (my hat off and a bow to those analogue-wizards who can operate it!!), SA-1, SA-10 and such are meant to be handled with a team. An interesting idea for a multiplayer mode, no? Thanks, Hpasp; you are the man!

#3684957 - 11/19/12 06:21 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Originally Posted By: wasserfall
Wow! That's crazy. I also read that the system was meant to defend against a THOUSAND BOMBER RAID; so yeah.. i guess it's beyond the ability of one person. But then again, i would think that of the SA-5! I wonder if it would be impossible to make the system work with a single console.. anyhow; it's an interesting thought, i would sure pay to handle that thousand-bomber raid. I understand that "Strategic" SAM's like the SA-5 (my hat off and a bow to those analogue-wizards who can operate it!!), SA-1, SA-10 and such are meant to be handled with a team. An interesting idea for a multiplayer mode, no? Thanks, Hpasp; you are the man!


Patriot weapon system is operated by one officer only (TCA).
The other is only overlooking his activity (TCO), while the third is operating the radio.


Last edited by Hpasp; 11/19/12 06:22 PM.

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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3684969 - 11/19/12 06:35 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Originally Posted By: wasserfall
I was just wondering if Mr. Hpasp, or anyone, knows if it would be possible to include the S-25 Berkut; the earliest soviet SAM. I understand it would be like an older SA-2F, and that documentation and reference for it may be unexistant; but still i wonder if it's possible. I'm intrigued at how this system would work compared to the S-75




http://bobrowen.com/nymas/defendingthekremlin.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-25.htm
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-A.html#mozTocId357043

#3684971 - 11/19/12 06:36 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: wasserfall
Wow! That's crazy. I also read that the system was meant to defend against a THOUSAND BOMBER RAID; so yeah.. i guess it's beyond the ability of one person. But then again, i would think that of the SA-5! I wonder if it would be impossible to make the system work with a single console.. anyhow; it's an interesting thought, i would sure pay to handle that thousand-bomber raid. I understand that "Strategic" SAM's like the SA-5 (my hat off and a bow to those analogue-wizards who can operate it!!), SA-1, SA-10 and such are meant to be handled with a team. An interesting idea for a multiplayer mode, no? Thanks, Hpasp; you are the man!


Patriot weapon system is operated by one officer only (TCA).
The other is only overlooking his activity (TCO), while the third is operating the radio.



there is no green access to patriot manual ????

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#3684987 - 11/19/12 06:51 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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I would really rather have the SA-6 before anything else; personally.

#4115863 - 05/04/15 05:12 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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There is plenty of S-25 Berkut documentation on the net, anybody seen an operating manual?


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4116662 - 05/05/15 10:26 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Station major operator console

It was intended for combat control work station B-200 and the starting position

Console of control station B-200

Intended for centralized switching on and off the station

Control of transmitter station B-200 console.

Intended for the management and control of generators

Cupboard of input receivers station B-200.

Intended for the amplification and conversion received by the antenna signals reflected from targets and missiles emitted by the defendants.

Cupboard of targeting and guidance station B-200.

Intended for monitoring purposes in the zone of the review station, the selection of targets for destruction of anti-aircraft missiles, missile launch and monitoring of flight

Main amplifier signals reflected from the targets

the main amplifier signal defendants missile system reference voltage and distributors of marker tags indicator station B-200

Hardware devices determining targets and missiles and developing channel



#4116663 - 05/05/15 10:28 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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#4116664 - 05/05/15 10:32 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Equipment ("state of emergency" console) of starting position bunker

designed for preparation and control of readiness for the launch of missiles

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#4116748 - 05/06/15 07:34 AM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Control room c-25

#4116749 - 05/06/15 07:39 AM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Screen indicators workstation operator guidance and start

azimuthal screen on left and elevation screen on right
Range scale vertical

1. The operator controlled label target lock;
2. The target mark;
3. The target mark followed by the current group channel;
4. The target mark followed by the other group channel;
5. Waiting gates for capture targets;
6. Missile marks and its accompanying Gates.

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#4116751 - 05/06/15 07:47 AM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Сommand post scheme


Reconnaissance and Information Centre scheme

#4116783 - 05/06/15 10:41 AM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: tebe_interesno]  
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Originally Posted By: tebe_interesno
Click to reveal..

Screen indicators workstation operator guidance and start

azimuthal screen on left and elevation screen on right
Range scale vertical

1. The operator controlled label target lock;
2. The target mark;
3. The target mark followed by the current group channel;
4. The target mark followed by the other group channel;
5. Waiting gates for capture targets;
6. Missile marks and its accompanying Gates.


Seasoned (Dvina, Volhov) SAMSIM veterans now could raise their eyebrows, as the Betha (horizontal) and the Epsilon (Vertical) indicators are interchanged here...
... but the S-25 had several upgraded (different) versions:
54, S-25
57, S-25M (1. modernization)
65, S-25M (2. modernization)
68, S-25MA (3. modernization)
79, S-25MAM (4. modernization, stage 1)
82, S-25MR (4. modernization, stage 2)

From the S-25M version (1. modernization), the B-200 had 75km range and the usual (Epsilon/Betha) indicator.


Last edited by Hpasp; 05/06/15 10:47 AM.

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4120705 - 05/15/15 12:48 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Nice big TWS antennas A-11/-12 (Nato Code: Yo-Yo)

Not sure that even a direct HARM hit would cause considerable damage at all...
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4123344 - 05/22/15 02:05 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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#4123489 - 05/22/15 06:50 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: piston79]  
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good find!




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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#4123501 - 05/22/15 07:18 PM Re: S-25 Berkut / SA-1 GUILD [Re: wasserfall]  
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Why they didn't react? What was the max. height of killing zone ot SA-1 at this time?

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