#3658549 - 10/08/12 07:00 AM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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Well, on the ashuluk range with the tornado, it still loses lock, even in the BSZC MD mode. Is it supposed to lose lock from time to time? It's an old system, I can certainly understand that there are imperfections in the SNR's SDC system. What was the target speed when you lost it, and what mode was the SDC in? (Remember, if target speed is higher than 600m/s, you loose it. Also do not use SDC with 80km range mode.)
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#3666859 - 10/21/12 01:16 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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F-117 in the second Yugo mission down. Hpasp can you please write here something about differences between Neva versions - S-125, S-125M and S-125M1?
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:53, SNR ON AIR
00:03:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:58, SNR ON AIR
00:04:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:04:07, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:04:18, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:19, SNR ON AIR
00:04:23, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:35, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:49, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 25m)
00:04:54, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 85m)
00:04:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:31, SNR ON AIR
00:05:33, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:44, SNR ON AIR
00:05:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:59, SNR ON AIR
00:06:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:06:14, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:15, SNR ON AIR
00:06:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 14km Target azimuth: 343° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:06:20, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 14sec
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#3666897 - 10/21/12 03:07 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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F-117 in the second Yugo mission down.
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:53, SNR ON AIR
00:03:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:58, SNR ON AIR
00:04:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:05, SNR ON AIR
00:04:07, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:13, SNR ON AIR
00:04:18, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:19, SNR ON AIR
00:04:23, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:35, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:49, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 25m)
00:04:54, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 85m)
00:04:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:31, SNR ON AIR
00:05:33, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:44, SNR ON AIR
00:05:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:59, SNR ON AIR
00:06:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:02, SNR ON AIR
00:06:14, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:15, SNR ON AIR
00:06:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 14km Target azimuth: 343° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:06:20, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 14sec
Wohohoooo! You achieved something, that neither I, neither 3.rd/250.rbr PVO were never be able to achieve! They hit the F-117A and damaged it to be unable to fly any other mission. Its wing was bleeding fuel so much, that to be able to fly it back to the US after OAF, it had to be continuously refueled by a tanker...Also your 2~3s on air time practice is extremely valuable!!!PS: can you make a YouTube video about it?
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#3666915 - 10/21/12 03:44 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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Hpasp can you please write here something about differences between Neva versions - S-125, S-125M and S-125M1?
S-125 Neva (SA-3A) system with the V-600P 5V24 missile was the first version, fielded in 1961. It had four, two missile capable launcher. This system seen only limited export from 1969 into: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Egypt, and Iraq. Range: 6 to 20 kilometers Maximum target ceiling: 12,000 meters Minimum ceiling 300 meters S-125M Neva-M (SA-3B) system with the V-601P 5V27 missile was the second version, fielded from 1970. It had four, four missile capable launcher. It introduced printed circuit boards, and the Karat target tracking camera. It was exported between 1973 and 1983. Target intercept ceiling ranged from 50 to 18,000 meters. S-125M1A Neva-M1A (SA-3B) with the V-601PD 5V27D missile was fielded from 1978. The near aerial target interception boundary was reduced to 3.5 kilometers and intercept ceiling to 20 meters. The anti jamming GSN equipment was introduced. It was exported between 1983 and 1989.
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#3666920 - 10/21/12 03:56 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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Thanks for S-125 explanation. Here is Google earth file for that F-117 shot (download and change .jpg to .gpx): I will try to create video next weekend (too late today - I need to move to another city this day - no time for fun through work week). Anyway it is not easy - I achieved that only after analysing its path in Google earth (first try was unsuccessful).
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#3666967 - 10/21/12 05:32 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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F-117 in the second Yugo mission down. Hpasp can you please write here something about differences between Neva versions - S-125, S-125M and S-125M1?
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:53, SNR ON AIR
00:03:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:58, SNR ON AIR
00:04:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:05, SNR ON AIR
00:04:07, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:13, SNR ON AIR
00:04:18, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:19, SNR ON AIR
00:04:23, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 78° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 73° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:35, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:49, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 25m)
00:04:54, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 85m)
00:04:56, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:31, SNR ON AIR
00:05:33, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:44, SNR ON AIR
00:05:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:05:59, SNR ON AIR
00:06:02, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:02, SNR ON AIR
00:06:14, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:06:15, SNR ON AIR
00:06:18, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 14km Target azimuth: 343° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:06:20, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 14sec
Congrats!!!
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#3668022 - 10/23/12 01:09 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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guyzzz do you have any video link about sa-3B launcher? this launcher could turn around itself on 360 degrees or this launcher limited and can't turn 360 degrees like sa-2 launcher????? SM-78 5P71 (SA-3A) launcher... SM-106 5P73 (SA-3B) launcher... Both has 360 degree capability.
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#3668592 - 10/24/12 10:59 AM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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#3670561 - 10/27/12 07:00 PM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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Here is promised video of S-125 against F-117 in the second Yugo mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG_ccLSAB6Y&feature=plcp
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:44, SNR ON AIR
00:03:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:03:54, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:04:01, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:04:21, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 80° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:21, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:26, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth hit by SAM. (miss distance: 118m)
00:04:52, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 80m)
00:04:54, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:01, IRZ knocked out by HARM
Total, SNR On Air Time: 56sec
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#3671311 - 10/29/12 11:26 AM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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Here is promised video of S-125 against F-117 in the second Yugo mission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG_ccLSAB6Y&feature=plcp
22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:44, SNR ON AIR
00:03:47, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:50, SNR ON AIR
00:03:54, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:58, SNR ON AIR
00:04:01, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
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00:04:21, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 80° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:21, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:26, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 75° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6,9km Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)
00:04:46, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth hit by SAM. (miss distance: 118m)
00:04:52, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 80m)
00:04:54, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:01, IRZ knocked out by HARM
Total, SNR On Air Time: 56sec
Extreme video of an exceptional fight!!! Can I share it on SAMSIM website? PS: In real life, you have just one chance, and you have to keep in mind the consequences of faliure (mind the blood on the wall).
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#3680997 - 11/13/12 09:03 AM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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i mark one swich with RED sign this switch created with 3 movable mode .... switch DOWN / switch MIDDLE / switch UP so what is this? who knows?
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#3681026 - 11/13/12 11:21 AM
Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)
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I think it is for changing the frequency of the radar. One for peace time, and one for war. Vympel is right. The switch has 3 positions (from botom to top) - "Lambda 2", "Lambda 1" and "Auto". The greek symbol λ "Lambda" is used to name the wavelenght. As frequency is the speed of the wave travels/wavelenght, with wavelenght changing and speed = const, the result is different frequency...
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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