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#3652562 - 09/28/12 06:50 PM Combatting the Igla-s SA-18  
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Hi all,

Whats the best way to take out the SA-18? Using a mav seems like a waste and to get close enough with your gun puts you well within their range. Are rockets the answer? Please forgive me for a noob question.


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#3652582 - 09/28/12 07:27 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Rockets tend to get you too close for comfort as well. I don't consider using a MAV a waste, as it's more a question of how much of a threat the guy poses, rather than how big an asset it is. Use the mav to take out the Igla, then you can use your guns to take out the BTRs and BRDMs around him.

If you're looking for a more economical way to take out an igla from a safe distance, you can always drop a Mk82 from high altitude.


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#3652596 - 09/28/12 08:00 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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You can gun them from 3nm away, even 5 ...

Originally Posted By: Allizdog1000
Hi all,

Whats the best way to take out the SA-18? Using a mav seems like a waste and to get close enough with your gun puts you well within their range. Are rockets the answer? Please forgive me for a noob question.


Allizdog


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#3652598 - 09/28/12 08:00 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Chris2525]  
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Or just take out the vehicles without going near them.

Originally Posted By: Chris2525
Rockets tend to get you too close for comfort as well. I don't consider using a MAV a waste, as it's more a question of how much of a threat the guy poses, rather than how big an asset it is. Use the mav to take out the Igla, then you can use your guns to take out the BTRs and BRDMs around him.

If you're looking for a more economical way to take out an igla from a safe distance, you can always drop a Mk82 from high altitude.


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#3652600 - 09/28/12 08:03 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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It may be wrong but I don't mind heading in at him hitting with guns- once I'm crossing I deploy a rather aggressive flare dispersal pattern (custom) just in case I miss or there's more than one. Generally, however, I'm operating beyond their reach and focussing my heavier ordinance on longer ranged SAM threats or larger targets.

#3652605 - 09/28/12 08:07 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Thanks Guys,

It's a lot clearer now.I think I was looking at it the wrong way. Like GrayGhost implied I guess they are only threre to protect what you really want to hit and if you can do that while avoiding them, all the better.

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#3652625 - 09/28/12 08:48 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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GG's also right about gunning em from outside their range. People tend to show up reaaall nicely when you switch the TGP out of CCD to one of the IR modes. Just s couple quick bursts on to TGP diamond's position does it.

#3652719 - 09/28/12 11:24 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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The thing with Iglas, however, is that they're frequently not something that you just stumble upon with your TGP and more often than not only show up once you've overflown them and are left defensive punching out flares and bat turning as quickly as possible.

If I'm maneuvering down low and vulnerable to that threat (<7000 feet or so), I'll make a very flare heavy, rapid interval counter measure program beforehand that I hit reflexively when I hear that missile launch warning. Not the safest place to be either way... so I trend towards 15K plus.

I wouldn't be too optimistic about opportunities to be offensive on the Iglas- (unless of course you know their whereabouts because they appear on the map or because their location has been picked out by JTAC or something.) Other times they are close enough to be seen around your actual targets that they can be hit with the residual energy of your ordinance or subsequent passes. But if you've hit your primary target... are you going back on the prowl? Guess that depends on your style of "play."

I'm not meaning to speak like I'm an authority on it or anything- that's simply my game experience (or lack thereof) talking.

#3652754 - 09/29/12 12:53 AM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Ohh yeah I misspoke. I thought it was just assumed that I had already been shot down by the Igla I was talking about confidently going in and gunning. Shoulda mentioned that wink

#3652986 - 09/29/12 01:49 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Oh! Well then in that case if we're talking about having ALREADY been shot down by one then I CAN speak with some authority on that.

#3653027 - 09/29/12 02:40 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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I hate those darn Iglas! Who puts those things in to missions, anyway!!?

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#3653452 - 09/30/12 01:26 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Mmmmmm "who" indeed!!

Really if there's one piece of advice I can provide abou them it's to just fly at about 4,000 feet. You'll know if they're there soon enough. Then grab a new plane and repeat until you find em. I've had loads of success using this method, it's foolproof.

#3654614 - 10/02/12 11:32 AM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: tomcat]  
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Originally Posted By: tomcat
Mmmmmm "who" indeed!!

Really if there's one piece of advice I can provide abou them it's to just fly at about 4,000 feet. You'll know if they're there soon enough. Then grab a new plane and repeat until you find em. I've had loads of success using this method, it's foolproof.


That is until the mission resource system is fully "fleshed out" and you will find yourself with a limited number of AC....

#3654654 - 10/02/12 01:12 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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That's no big deal... then you just reset the server and try again wink

Kidding, of course as I'm sure TC was also.


That system- if it is ever polished off - will dramatically reduce the "recycling" nature of sim-play. I have enjoyed that aspect of that Operation Bactria mission- where you're really limited in what you carry and have to evaluate targets more objectively. No more hauling around 6 mavs and 4 97s and wiping out half a planet's worth of targets.

I haven't done a lot of research on the resource system- is it something tailored by the server or is it the mission builder?

As it applies to dealing with SAM threats- builders are going to need to pare back their SAM threats to maintain balance. As it is right now, the SAMs are often put in place to neutralize the advantages that human virtual pilots maintain over a somewhat predictable AI and the fact we can load up with an infinite number of aircraft and munitions.


#3654673 - 10/02/12 01:38 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Eno's correct, I was just kidding. Part of the reason I enjoy this sim is because it makes me feel like I'm in a real Hog. Flinging planes at a problem Independence Day style kind of ruins part of the realism. Heck I don't even take off using the taxiway. Often.

#3654760 - 10/02/12 03:48 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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I must admit I did that once- but in my defence it was because I had an AI tanker parked in the middle of the runway and I couldn't get my full load of 6 mavs and 4 97s off the ground using half a runway. biggrin

But you're a hooligan anyway- so whatever.

#3654766 - 10/02/12 03:57 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Gasp! ME!!? Next thing you'll be hitting me with "The taxpayers own the plane" and rubber dog crap and all that. Any shortcuts I take are in the interest of either my own limited simming time or are to help the Blue cause. If I'm airborne and they're shooting at me they're les likely to be shooting at you remember smile

If all the green lights on the Caution Panel are off I'm OUT.

#3654773 - 10/02/12 04:08 PM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: tomcat]  
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Originally Posted By: tomcat
If all the green lights on the Caution Panel are off I'm OUT.


You can take off on the Left Engine only biggrin Besides - less heat sig for those darn Iglas.


What's a few Caution Panel lights, anyway...

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#3655274 - 10/03/12 04:50 AM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: tomcat]  
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Originally Posted By: tomcat
Mmmmmm "who" indeed!!

Really if there's one piece of advice I can provide abou them it's to just fly at about 4,000 feet. You'll know if they're there soon enough. Then grab a new plane and repeat until you find em. I've had loads of success using this method, it's foolproof.


Ha ha. Do I detect some sarcasm TC ? hahaha

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#3655328 - 10/03/12 08:56 AM Re: Combatting the Igla-s SA-18 [Re: Allizdog1000]  
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Nope- that's pretty much how he does it. Except his tactic of choice is to let his wingman eat the missile while he gets off scott free! He then happily returns to base and let's his wingie meet him during his cold restart.

Speaking of which- TC... reason I wanted to get that fly in tomorrow started early was because of you- you'd better get signed up- or else I'll make you MY wingman (aka b1tch)!

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