#3641201 - 09/09/12 03:01 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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in shilka could we shoot automatic like machinegun or semi-auto ??? for best level Automatic, with 56 shots per second if you press the space key... ... and it keeps shooting the burst until you release it (or expel all ammo on board), but there are four single shot buttons also (one for each tube), for jam avoidance.
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#3641249 - 09/09/12 04:40 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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o my god ..............my speaker set on high volume ! when i pusk space! I jumped from my chair !!!!! please write this notic : try this with low volume
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#3641314 - 09/09/12 06:49 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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Automatic, with 56 shots per second if you press the space key...
how this happend is realy !!!! shilka only has a 4 barrel... shilka is no gatling gun with 6 rail gun barrel's! that shilka's barrel do not cauterize and fuse stricken when we pusk space for example : 15 seconds??? ps: also in 3daar ... how we can see 3d aaar? if we shoot 1500 bullet's on 3daar we will see 1500 blue lines to target??
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#3641544 - 09/10/12 08:26 AM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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why these shilka shoot just brust ???? if they shot full auto hit chance going down??? The Shilka Operation Manual states that: Against slow targets ( slow speed flying planes, helicopters) you should fire from 4 barrels, with short bursts, waiting 2~3s between them... 3~5 shots per barrel (12~20 shots total), by pressing the fire button/pedal for 0.2s or 0.35s. or 5~10 shots per barrel (20~40 shots total), by pressing the fire button/pedal for 0.35s or 0.7s. ... decided by the commander. Against fast targets ( high speed flying planes) you should fire from 4 barrels, with longer bursts, waiting 2~3s between them... 5~10 shots per barrel (20~40 shots total), by pressing the fire button/pedal for 0.35s or 0.7s. or 50 shots per barrel (200 shots total), by pressing the fire button/pedal for 0.9s. ... decided by the commander. Against ground targets you should fire from 2 barrels, with short bursts, waiting 2~3s between them. The reason is to wait to see if earlier shots killed the target. (OFZT need 2~3s travel time till the maximum effective range) The barrels (2.8kW) liquid cooling system is very effective (working at 8atm), so you can fire all ammo (2000pcs) on board in a one ~35s long burst (done several times at the Dregelypalank firing range in Hungary), but generally there is no reason of doing it. Please also note, that after ~3000 shots, barrels should be replaced as they worn out. PS: Probably this Libyan Shilka crew not read the manual fully...
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#3641547 - 09/10/12 08:37 AM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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The sound of shooting at the Shilka super!
Only 50 shots per second is not quite right
56 shot per sec from 4 barrels is the actual minimum. (it depends on ammo quality, gun maintenance, etc...)
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#3641610 - 09/10/12 12:02 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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i guess for run from shilka only diving to earth is not enough....... Bullets are not guiding! Only flying ballistic. If pilot does see tracers incoming then he has 1-2 sec. to make any maneuver. This would avoid predicted point of burst intercept + chance to hit. In theory..
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#3641615 - 09/10/12 12:09 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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i guess for run from shilka only diving to earth is not enough....... Bullets are not guiding! Only flying ballistic. If pilot does see tracers incoming then he has 1-2 sec. to make any maneuver. This would avoid predicted point of burst intercept + chance to hit. In theory.. This is why Shilka is not exactly aiming for the predicted impact point, rather is sprays the ammo at an area around of it. PS: And this is the exact reason, why its range (5,5km) and effective range (2,5km) is different.
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#3641630 - 09/10/12 12:34 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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PS: And this is the exact reason, why its range (5,5km) and effective range (2,5km) is different.
you meant is we have to shoot to target unnder 3 / 2.5 km ??? we can't shoot target from 5km?
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#3641649 - 09/10/12 01:10 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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PS: And this is the exact reason, why its range (5,5km) and effective range (2,5km) is different.
you meant is we have to shoot to target unnder 3 / 2.5 km ??? we can't shoot target from 5km? You can shoot at any time, and any burst length... ... but the SRP can calculate lead only for targets 9.9km away. OFZT ammunition is self destructing after 5~11s of flight (5~10km). You receive "have data" signal for a target only from 5.5km distance. The ammo spread is optimized for 2,5km range.
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#3641679 - 09/10/12 01:55 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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Later in Ashuluk Shilka can easily hit these targets ...
1. Tomahawk missile target low
2. A6 plane too low goal of 100 meters and a speed low.
3. Tornado aircraft altitude of 100 meters Speed Max > 1
4. FB-111 plane too low, I think the goal with no problems.
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#3641681 - 09/10/12 01:59 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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I have no knowledge, that Shilka was ever used in Ashuluk against these expensive targets... ... Shilka practice targets are usually consisted of cheap RC planes (at least in Hungary), mirroring shots against real planes (in East Germany), and parachuted flare target (in Poland).
Do you have any other information available?
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#3641689 - 09/10/12 02:09 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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Later in Ashuluk Shilka can easily hit these targets ...
1. Tomahawk missile target low
2. A6 plane too low goal of 100 meters and a speed low.
3. Tornado aircraft altitude of 100 meters Speed Max > 1
4. FB-111 plane too low, I think the goal with no problems.
please include a-4 skyhawk this is including too
PS: And this is the exact reason, why its range (5,5km) and effective range (2,5km) is different.
You can shoot at any time, and any burst length... ... but the SRP can calculate lead only for targets 9.9km away. OFZT ammunition is self destructing after 5~11s of flight (5~10km). You receive "have data" signal for a target only from 5.5km distance. The ammo spread is optimized for 2,5km range. so... could we hit target more than 5/5 km??? with shoot to blind dot without any exact tracking??? like ambush of bullet's, 1500 bullet's to blind dot ... maybe one bullet hit to target..is it logical?
I have no knowledge, that Shilka was ever used in Ashuluk against these expensive targets... ... Shilka practice targets are usually consisted of cheap RC planes (at least in Hungary), mirroring shots against real planes (in East Germany), and parachuted flare target (in Poland).
Do you have any other information available? this is easy...! u can add that ashuluk target flying adding to ashuluk shilka training target!!! could u tell me why not??? to be honest i think Dregelypalank is not enough for us for better training with shilka! in scenario's we have to hit fast aircraft with high speed ... they does'nt like Dregelypalank we need better type of ashuluk target
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#3641705 - 09/10/12 02:34 PM
Re: ZSU-23-4V1 Shilka
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guys ineed your help about one armor armed Under the belly of the plane!!! this technic is true???? looks like Shield.......... i hear from somewhere... in aldore bridge when iranian phantom's want to take a spying pctures from there ...for spying mission !
they need to get closer to target to take picture ... one guy said to me in airport some phantom armed armor Under the belly of the plane for stop AA bullet's like shilka!
i think this is true! because at that age and moment one f-4 begin take several picture's from aldoreh bridge and right there... there was 3 shilka and they shoot together to phantom.. but phantom just hit... and phantom cam back to airbase with highly damage...
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Exodus
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