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#3634620 - 08/29/12 05:51 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
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but at first libyan scenario when i swich off my transmiter i have no sign of jamming line on my scopes!


Not a bug - just better jammers (reacts only when transmition is against them, not like in Vietnam.


so... if it's not a bug... where is the solution ??? i have to attack to jamming target with transmitter switch on? confused
edit: because when my transmitter still on... i can hit f-18 !!! this is realistic ? ? ? .........


Yes, you use home on jam, but you need to give the threat aircraft a reason to use jamming... With the radar off he is silent ~ "ECM on" merely authorises the pod to jam when illuminated. Because of the jamming you have to use the less efficient T/T mode rather than half-lead as range information is denied, which reduces maximum engagement range considerably, and increases missile manoeuvre requirement in the end-game. Of course the most important difference to Vietnam is that you can't just 'aim for the strobe' with impunity ~ by needing to illuminate the target to get a valid target of any type you become vulnerable to ARM, and HARM is far more responsive than Standard ARM or Shrike.

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#3634630 - 08/29/12 06:12 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Could you help me on the disappearing Neva missiles bug, by describing how can I recreate those situation?

Thanks,


excuse me what? screwy this is my first time mr.hpasp say help! eek2
i guess neva have some bug,, witch one u want??? that bug when launch missile... and i hear sound launch, but i never seen any missile in my scope!!!!!? this situation ?

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#3634654 - 08/29/12 06:42 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
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Could you help me on the disappearing Neva missiles bug, by describing how can I recreate those situation?

Thanks,


excuse me what? screwy this is my first time mr.hpasp say help! eek2
i guess neva have some bug,, witch one u want??? that bug when launch missile... and i hear sound launch, but i never seen any missile in my scope!!!!!? this situation ?


Correct.
I would like to release a v0.925B version during the weekend, including the fixes of v0.925.3, just this bug is not found/fixed yet, and I cannot recreate it...


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#3634661 - 08/29/12 06:50 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Could you help me on the disappearing Neva missiles bug, by describing how can I recreate those situation?

Thanks,


Hallo
I can help only during weekend. So if it is not solved by then I will try to help you. Anyway I also saw that problem. So far my experience is that when I shoot missile against the first target everything is ok but if I very quickly acquire next target in significantly different bearing and I launch missile against it without much delay sometimes I hear only sound of starting missiles but no missiles are actually launched. It also messes 3DAAR if I remember correctly. I recommend to you to start Asuluk mission with targets coming from all sides and try to launch against them as much missiles as possible. Then bug can be may be seen.

#3634668 - 08/29/12 07:02 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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i remember... at one situation in vietnam...when i lock on, one f-4 around east... but i choose western launcher ... to launch
when i launch first missile... my missile missed but when i launch my twice missile... without no problem can get target!
maybe at different situation ... some launcher cant support some azimuth degrees !!!!! example: launch west to east OR launch south to north!
this is my guess sigh

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#3634717 - 08/29/12 08:40 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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an another problem is ....... kill frame after passed 10min on vietnam scenarios!,,, this is bug hpasp... i dont know why after 10min passed on vietnam scenario's kill frame is begin.. no antivirus no scaning,,, just sam sim frown this is serious bug....
hpasp.. when u creat scenario... did u add any (time limit) code for scenario's????
something going to be wrong when 10min passed and u still on scenario's (my frame going down under 7fPS) screwy

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#3634947 - 08/30/12 06:13 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Hpasp: Regarding Neva bug - just select Ashuluk, five targets, shoot the first one down, do not change launcher, acquire the second target and shoot at it. Either one or both missiles will not be shown on indicator (neither in 3DAAR and nothing will be hit).

#3635008 - 08/30/12 10:10 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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I suspect that the lost missile case, has some relation to the previous missile launched before (and ended its flight)...


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#3635013 - 08/30/12 10:51 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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And I forgot to mention - when you fire another pair of missiles, they will fly correctly (and in this lost missile case does not matter whether you change launcher or not, they will be lost in any case).

#3636343 - 09/01/12 07:38 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Crack-71 shot's a HARM, which was invisible on 3D AAR:
Click to reveal..
02:04am 2nd of May, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense


Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


1/250 rd PVO, Ugrinovci ( 83m)
S-125M1 Neva


+++++++++++++++++
00:02:01, SNR ON AIR


00:02:19, F-16CJ Weasel Falcon SEAD Crack-71 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.

00:02:56, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:31, SNR ON AIR


00:04:44, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:24, SNR ON AIR


00:05:31, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:46, SNR ON AIR


00:05:54, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 274
Target elevation: 19
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:04, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 273
Target elevation: 22
Target altitude: 9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:15, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)

00:06:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy hit by SAM. (miss distance: 96m)

00:06:40, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 262
Target elevation: 32
Target altitude: 6,9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:07:04, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-34 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 69m)

00:07:17, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 45sec




Also a question... How much is the RCS of the AN/ALE-50?

#3636606 - 09/02/12 10:05 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Crack-71 shot's a HARM, which was invisible on 3D AAR:
Click to reveal..
02:04am 2nd of May, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense


Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


1/250 rd PVO, Ugrinovci ( 83m)
S-125M1 Neva


+++++++++++++++++
00:02:01, SNR ON AIR


00:02:19, F-16CJ Weasel Falcon SEAD Crack-71 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.

00:02:56, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:31, SNR ON AIR


00:04:44, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:24, SNR ON AIR


00:05:31, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:46, SNR ON AIR


00:05:54, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 274
Target elevation: 19
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:04, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 273
Target elevation: 22
Target altitude: 9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:15, Missile exploded on Channel-1
AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)

00:06:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy hit by SAM. (miss distance: 96m)

00:06:40, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 262
Target elevation: 32
Target altitude: 6,9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:07:04, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-34 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 69m)

00:07:17, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 45sec




Also a question... How much is the RCS of the AN/ALE-50?


Nobody knows, but theoretically it should be bigger than its carriers (F-16, B-1B).
In SAMSIM, it is selected to be 10sqrm.

Last edited by Hpasp; 09/02/12 10:08 AM.

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#3636623 - 09/02/12 11:42 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Version .925 or .925В

I download simply .925

#3636624 - 09/02/12 11:43 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Version .925 or .925B

I download simply.925

#3636625 - 09/02/12 11:45 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: max2012]  
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Just few minutes before new version getting available...


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#3636626 - 09/02/12 11:46 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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I understood without problems!

#3636629 - 09/02/12 11:48 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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Question, and about Volkhov the problem was corrected or not.

I about the Zone of Defeat in El Dorado not truly display of Lines.

#3636632 - 09/02/12 11:54 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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While any errors I do not see in version 923.3 didn't see while.

About Volkhov in El Dorado I don't know it is possible to call it the Error incorrectly Lines layout of the Zone of Defeat.

#3636633 - 09/02/12 11:55 AM Re: Bug reports [Re: Cat]  
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In release v925B (v925.4), two bugs are fixed compared to the v925.3:

- Neva missiles lost after launch (hopefully)
- F-15C not reacting to incoming missiles during OAF


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#3636681 - 09/02/12 02:54 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

Nobody knows, but theoretically it should be bigger than its carriers (F-16, B-1B).
In SAMSIM, it is selected to be 10sqrm.


I've noticed on "C" screen of NEVA, that the beam iluminates somethin', just slight away form the jamming area, but when check it ot the FCO screens, nothing can be seen, thought it just iluminates ALE-50 only...

By the way, I've posted in the old topic a question about changed APP-75 behaviour (vissible against the Libyan SR-71), but still no comment about it... sigh

#3636698 - 09/02/12 03:38 PM Re: Bug reports [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

By the way, I've posted in the old topic a question about changed APP-75 behaviour (vissible against the Libyan SR-71), but still no comment about it... sigh


I not seen any problem with those screenshots.

APP behavior was not touched quite a long ago...
... so I need more detailed bug description to be able to track this issue down.

Last edited by Hpasp; 09/02/12 03:39 PM.

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