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#3623679 - 08/10/12 06:57 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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I tried Neva too, all missiles are shown in AAR, but many of them were not visible on the screen. Note there was only one hit and two launches for targets 2-5.

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk

S-125M1 Neva


00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:02:36, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 73
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 762m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:41, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 73
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 762m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:03:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 16m)

00:03:05, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 15m)

00:03:39, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 74
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 818m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:44, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 75
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 818m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 78
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 817m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


04:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:04:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 79
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 817m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m)

00:04:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 65
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 734m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 22km
Target azimuth: 66
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 734m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 22m)

00:06:25, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 79
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 752m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:30, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 10km
Target azimuth: 80
Target elevation: 4
Target altitude: 752m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m)

00:07:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 66
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 609m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:07:33, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 67
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 733m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:07:47, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 55sec

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#3623720 - 08/10/12 10:42 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
I tried Neva too, all missiles are shown in AAR, but many of them were not visible on the screen. Note there was only one hit and two launches for targets 2-5.

Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk

S-125M1 Neva


00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:02:36, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 73
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 762m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:02:41, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 73
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 762m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:03:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 16m)

00:03:05, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 15m)

00:03:39, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 74
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 818m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:44, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 75
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 818m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 78
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 817m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


04:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:04:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 79
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 817m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m)

00:04:55, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 23km
Target azimuth: 65
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 734m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:00, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 22km
Target azimuth: 66
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 734m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:24, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 22m)

00:06:25, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 79
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 752m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:30, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 10km
Target azimuth: 80
Target elevation: 4
Target altitude: 752m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 0m)

00:07:28, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 66
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 609m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:07:33, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 67
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 733m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:07:47, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 55sec


Did you change launcher after a salvo?
(We not used to expell all missiles from the same one, if we have other ready.)

It might be a bug, or natural limitation of the Neva system.
The missile has 4s unguided acceleration phase, and the SNR has quite a narrow fixed missile capture beam, so if it is turning during launch, it can be a "NE ZAHVAT" (loose) the missile.

During 78 days of Operation Allied Force, the 3/250rd PVO fired on 7 target expelling 13 V-601 missiles. (one was not started at all)
From the 13 launched missiles, 2 had "NE ZAHVAT", so only 11 was guiding.
They had 21% (3 from 14) of non performing missile during the war.

Their close defense launched...
3 9K32M Strela-2 (SA-7B)
1 RL-4M [R-60 AA-8] missile on ground launcher
1 R-73E (AA-11) missile on ground launcher
... IR missiles also.

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/10/12 11:12 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3623726 - 08/10/12 11:09 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Did you change launcher after a salvo?

Yes and no. Here is what I did:
I acquired the first target, when it is close enougn I fired two missiles from PU1
After succesful hit I acquired the second target and fired at it
After lauch (shortly) I changed PU1 to PU2 and no missiles emerged on the screen, so I thought it is caused by early PU change
So I fired two missiles from PU2
After acquisition of the third target I fired from PU2 again (only one missile shown and only one hit).
After acquisition of the fourth target I changed PU and fired. Only one missile and hit again.
The same for the last target (no PU change).


Maybe it is the NE ZAHVAT because targets were quite close, I will retry it. Unfortunately I have no 3DAAR because I have not run SAMSIM as an administrator to have it rights to write files to Program Files (I clicked the Save 3DAAR, but no file has been created, this is first time I run SAMSIM on win 7, until now I had XP, I was lazy to reinstall :-))

#3623733 - 08/10/12 11:28 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Retry report with four targets:
Click to reveal..
Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk
LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk

S-125M1 Neva


00:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

01:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

02:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:02:57, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 77
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 621m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


03:00, Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk launched

00:03:02, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 77
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 621m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:03:19, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)

00:03:23, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)

00:04:11, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 72
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 906m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:16, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 74
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 905m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:32, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 111m)

00:05:15, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 75
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 930m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:20, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 76
Target elevation: 3
Target altitude: 929m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

00:06:22, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 82
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 779m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:27, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 85
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 580m
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:42, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Practice target LA-17M [program-1] simulating A-4 Skyhawk hit by SAM. (miss distance: 57m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 35sec


The first target fired upon from PU1. Everything went well.
The second target also from PU1, only one missile shown and one hit.
Changed to PU2 and fired upon the third target. One missile shown and one hit. After launch I noticed that OTKAZ I turned off while OTKAZ II remained on and missile was on its way to the target.
The fourth target also from PU2, one missile and one hit. OTKAZ I remained on.

3DAAR

PS: I analyzed 3DAAR and missing missiles does not show even in google earth.

Last edited by Alien_MasterMynd; 08/10/12 11:37 AM. Reason: PS addition
#3624530 - 08/11/12 06:23 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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So far my only half-success with S-125 against SEAD fighters in the second Yugo mission frown
At least I have survived.
(Btw. it is much easier to shoot them down with Volkhov)

Click to reveal..

22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:04:47, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 17
Target elevation: 23
Target altitude: 8,2km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:53, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 17
Target elevation: 25
Target altitude: 8,3km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:05:00, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:05:11, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:05:15, Missile exploded on Channel-2

00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB.

00:05:27, IRZ knocked out by HARM


00:05:32, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 7
Target elevation: 42
Target altitude: 9,2km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:37, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 2
Target elevation: 42
Target altitude: 8,1km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)

00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.

00:05:46, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:05:54, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:06:01, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 111m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 22sec


Last edited by PN79; 08/11/12 06:27 PM.
#3624536 - 08/11/12 06:42 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: PN79]  
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Congrats!!!
Now I understand why serbs was so happy to see "Volkhov" in a joint exercise in my country!!!

#3627384 - 08/16/12 09:48 AM S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)  
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Lets discuss S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) specific issues here...


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3627960 - 08/17/12 07:57 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

The same situation, the second salvo failed at all. No NE ZAHVAT message.


We will need to track this bug down.
End of next week, I will release a SAM.exe that will write all the missile loosing causes into the AAR.

Last edited by Hpasp; 08/17/12 07:58 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3627963 - 08/17/12 08:00 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: PN79

So far my only half-success with S-125 against SEAD fighters in the second Yugo mission frown
At least I have survived.
(Btw. it is much easier to shoot them down with Volkhov)


Still missing your Stealth shots of the new OAF situation...
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3628574 - 08/18/12 11:11 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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OK. I got F-16CJ, though I spent 4 missiles and I achieved kill with only the last one. It is quite difficult. I was unable to get lock on F-117 yet.

Btw. My method is obvious but are there better ways to do it?

Click to reveal..


22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:05:13, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 15
Target elevation: 33
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:19, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 14
Target elevation: 36
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)

00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB.

00:05:25, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:05:33, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:05:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2

00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.

00:05:44, IRZ knocked out by HARM


00:05:49, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 359
Target elevation: 40
Target altitude: 7,4km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:54, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 356
Target elevation: 36
Target altitude: 7,9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:03, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:06:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:06:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 40m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 11sec



3D AAR:



(download this to computer and change .jpg to .gpx)

Last edited by PN79; 08/18/12 11:17 AM.
#3631373 - 08/23/12 12:54 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: PN79]  
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Originally Posted By: PN79
OK. I got F-16CJ, though I spent 4 missiles and I achieved kill with only the last one. It is quite difficult. I was unable to get lock on F-117 yet.

Btw. My method is obvious but are there better ways to do it?

Click to reveal..


22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV

S-125M1 Neva


00:05:13, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 15
Target elevation: 33
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:19, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 14
Target elevation: 36
Target altitude: 8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)

00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB.

00:05:25, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:05:33, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:05:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2

00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.

00:05:44, IRZ knocked out by HARM


00:05:49, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 359
Target elevation: 40
Target altitude: 7,4km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:54, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 356
Target elevation: 36
Target altitude: 7,9km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:06:03, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:06:14, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:06:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 40m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 11sec



3D AAR:



(download this to computer and change .jpg to .gpx)


Good battle!


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#3635831 - 08/31/12 05:25 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Um.. I always hit the AN ALE 50. How do I not do that?

#3636127 - 09/01/12 07:51 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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On "S" screen you need to change method of arming missile warhead (black switch in right down - to right) so warhead is activated by command from your station. Then you need to manually control expected range of the target by manually managing elevation through known altitude from board.

It requires big precision and you also need to adjust manual setting according to the target flight direction - if it is flying towards you, lengthwise or receding.

It is like Volkhov's I87V-three-point but done manually.

As I said it is not easy but I do not know about easier method.

#3636141 - 09/01/12 09:13 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: PN79]  
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Originally Posted By: PN79
On "S" screen you need to change method of arming missile warhead (black switch in right down - to right) so warhead is activated by command from your station. Then you need to manually control expected range of the target by manually managing elevation through known altitude from board.

It requires big precision and you also need to adjust manual setting according to the target flight direction - if it is flying towards you, lengthwise or receding.

It is like Volkhov's I87V-three-point but done manually.

As I said it is not easy but I do not know about easier method.



dude.... in sa-3 PDF no where wrote about it... why?? banghead

#3636158 - 09/01/12 10:38 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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That belongs to "advanced manual". Unfortunatelly such manual for S-125 was not written yet.





This shows how difficult it is. I was already able to bring this F-16 down last weekend but today I only lightly damaged it.

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#3636330 - 09/01/12 06:56 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I keep hitting the decoy...

#3636396 - 09/01/12 08:57 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I recommend training in asuluk against non-jamming target with this method. Without jamming you will see your error in commanding missiles against target.

Btw. It seems that easier target in the second 1999 mission is that F-16 coming from the northeast against 3/250 battery because of its turn within engagement zone - it is easier to track it than F-16s coming from the south against the other two batteries.



Here I made two firings with two missiles each. My first attack failed and only hit the decoy but my second attack was succesfull:

Click to reveal..


22:06pm 30th of April, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade

Targets:
Nat'l MOD HQ
FRY MUP HQ
MOD HQ South
Serb MUP HQ
Army HQ Facility A

Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m)
S-125M1 Neva


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:40, SNR ON AIR


00:04:44, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:50, SNR ON AIR


00:04:53, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:54, SNR ON AIR


00:04:55, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:04:56, SNR ON AIR


00:04:57, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:02, SNR ON AIR


00:05:03, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 17km
Target azimuth: 16
Target elevation: 28
Target altitude: 8,6km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:09, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 16
Target elevation: 31
Target altitude: 8,1km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:16, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1

00:05:24, F-117A Stealth bombed Batajnica Hangar, with LGB.

00:05:24, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:05:29, Missile exploded on Channel-2
AN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy hit by SAM. (miss distance: 106m)

00:05:30, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


00:05:38, IRZ knocked out by HARM


+++++++++++++++++
00:05:40, SNR ON AIR


00:05:42, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 12km
Target azimuth: 358
Target elevation: 40
Target altitude: 7,8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)

00:05:43, B-2A Spirit bombed Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A, with GAM.

00:05:47, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 353
Target elevation: 37
Target altitude: 7,8km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:05:56, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-1 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:06:07, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 120m)

00:06:15, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 46m)

00:06:18, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 16sec





Last edited by PN79; 09/01/12 08:58 PM.
#3636594 - 09/02/12 08:32 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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00:05:30, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------
00:05:38, IRZ knocked out by HARM


That was close...
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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3642894 - 09/12/12 01:17 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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O MY GOD

guys could u explain about this video jawdrop

#3643134 - 09/12/12 08:03 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
O MY GOD

guys could u explain about this video jawdrop
Click to reveal..


My personal opinion is that no B-2A was hit during OAF.

One F-117A was downed [82-0806 "Something Wicked"], another F-117A was hit on its left wing [82-803 "Unexpected Guest"], and one F-16CG was downed [88-0550].

Several other NATO planes were hit, but were able to fly back to base, so no real physical confirmation of these events are exist...
... and also huge numbers of AN/ALE-50 were hit.

(pilots called it an "American Express Card", "you simply do not leave home without it...")

PS: While You SAMSIM players used to regularly overachieve the historical score (being able to repeat the missions,while not being in life threatening situation), so far I not seen any AAR with hit on "Spirit of Missouri"...
... and its surprising, that no AAR was presented so far, with the historical hit on F-117A 82-803 "Unexpected Guest".
nope
You are still keep dodging with valueless Weasels, and give the most expensive Stealth bomber targets free fly away...

Last edited by Hpasp; 09/13/12 05:22 AM.

Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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