#3619578 - 08/03/12 05:09 PM
B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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I find it as an extraordinary technical achievement, that only one B-2A Spirit flying just one pass above downtown Belgrade, hit the following targets: Nat'l MOD HQ, FRY MUP HQ, MOD HQ South, Serb MUP HQ, Army HQ Facility A PS: After OAF, it was calculated, that the complete El-Dorado Canyon raid could have been done by only 3 B-2A launched from the US, instead of the 100+ armada launched from the UK.
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#3619723 - 08/03/12 08:06 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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Stop revealing B-2 tracks, leave the entusiasts to try against it without any inteligence, as it was in reality! AN/ASQ-213 HARM Targeting System (HTS) "Weasel in a Can" on board of the F-16CJ Weasel Vipers are just waiting to your SAM system emission... Just practice counting when you emit... ... 19 - 20 - 21 - bang.
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#3744257 - 03/02/13 09:02 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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I agree Hpasp. The B-2a is truely an amasing machine, but just to put things in perspective: Three B-2´s would probably cost around the same as the 100+ armada you mention, all though their survivability is much better. As I has a privilege to create any scenario, I can share my personal opinion, than NOT ANY SINGLE DIGIT SOVIET SAM system has any chance against the B-2A.
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#3744258 - 03/02/13 09:07 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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F-117A with 0.025m² RCS is pretty optimistic... ... according to Serbian wartime experience, it is at least one order of magnitude smaller.
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#3748538 - 03/10/13 01:56 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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Does anyone ever saw that B-2 bomber on screens??? Is it modeled with bigger RCS than "Nighthawk"? ok guys ! just let me show you somthing on manual 3DAAR 1. as you see , i mark on picture with RED mark , so you can set the 2 picture near together as The roughness of a ground 2. im not good painter but i did my best on paint software ! so i paint the position of the PVO and kill zone ! by yellow sign ! aso you see 3/250 has no chance to meet the b-2 ! 3. // // // i paint the 4.250 position on map ! so you can see the best position for attack is 4.250
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#3748559 - 03/10/13 02:41 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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I believe that only possible way to detect it is with 4/250 .... As I used "Volhnov" with wide and narrow beam (as it's transmitters are the most powerful available into the SIM, and didn't saw it at this range, so my conclusions are that it is more "stealthy" than F-117... Maybe when it drops bombs it's RCS is much bigger, but don't know is it simulated or not (probably not)... Anyway I am interested about RCS of B-2 in the SIM...
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#3748586 - 03/10/13 04:33 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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i hunted f-117 during allied forces few hours ago .. now i thinking about b-2 hunting. im not sure but i guess .. hpasp do not simulate it ! because in reall life no b-2 hit ot crash! its a rumor ! of course i see on video from zoltan danis team and one man talking about hit b-2 sprit of missuri but im not sure it wa truth ! 22:06pm 30th of April, 1999. Operation Allied Force, B-2A raid on Belgrade
Targets: Nat'l MOD HQ FRY MUP HQ MOD HQ South Serb MUP HQ Army HQ Facility A
Supporting force: F-15C Eagle CAP F-16CJ Falcon SEAD EA-6B Prowler ECM RQ-1 Predator UAV
3/250 rd PVO, Petrovcic ( 83m) S-125M1 Neva
+++++++++++++++++ 00:03:46, SNR ON AIR
00:03:58, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
+++++++++++++++++ 00:04:19, SNR ON AIR
00:04:34, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 68° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6.9km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:04:34, F-16CJ Falcon SEAD Number-2 launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1
00:04:40, V601PD 5V27D Missile launched on Channel-2 Target distance: 16km Target azimuth: 63° Target elevation: 24° Target altitude: 6.9km Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:05:01, Missile exploded on Channel-1 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 34m)
00:05:07, Missile exploded on Channel-2 F-117A Stealth killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)
00:05:09, SNR OFF THE AIR -----------------
00:05:10, SNR knocked out by HARM
Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 2sec
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#3929898 - 03/25/14 08:48 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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#3929914 - 03/25/14 09:19 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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I believe that only possible way to detect it is with 4/250 .... As I used "Volhnov" with wide and narrow beam (as it's transmitters are the most powerful available into the SIM, and didn't saw it at this range, so my conclusions are that it is more "stealthy" than F-117... Maybe when it drops bombs it's RCS is much bigger, but don't know is it simulated or not (probably not)... Anyway I am interested about RCS of B-2 in the SIM... In the sim, the detection range of the B2 is 15% smaller compared to the F117.
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#3930002 - 03/25/14 11:44 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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Where did you get that image from? What's weird in that image is that according to it, the F-117 is "stealthier" (have less RCS) than the B-2. That's weird because every information that I read so far indicates exactly the opposite: that the B-2 has in fact a lower RCS than the F-117. I also read that the B-2 is currently the stealthier aircraft in existence (at least regarding full production in service combat aircraft). Resuming, what I read regarding US Stealth combat aircraft RCS is as follows: - The B-2 is the most stealth of all US Stealth combat aircraft (the one with the lower RCS) - Next (in "2nd place") comes the F-22 and the F-117 which have a very similar (or almost identical) RCS - Finally (in 3rd) comes the F-35. Albeit that, I also read that the F-35 is stealthier than the F-117 regarding frontal arc but in the remaining arcs (side and rear) and in overall/average the F-117 is stealthier than the F-35. This of course means that an aircraft RCS will differ depending on the angle/arc which is facing the radar. Finally I read that the RCS value that we usually see for a particular aircraft (like the ones seen in that picture) are usually an average value from every RCS from the various different aircraft arc/angles. This information was mainly gathered from a very interesting article that came in a Combat Aircraft Magazine issue, regarding the history of stealth and it's application on US stealth aircraft (F-117, B-2, F-22 and F-35), this among other sources.
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#3930439 - 03/26/14 08:19 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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Where did you get that image from?
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1978041 This information was mainly gathered from a very interesting article that came in a Combat Aircraft Magazine issue, regarding the history of stealth and it's application on US stealth aircraft (F-117, B-2, F-22 and F-35), this among other sources.
It would be REALLY NICE if you do bother to share it here....
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#3930880 - 03/27/14 06:28 PM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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Thanks! It would be REALLY NICE if you do bother to share it here.... It's not a "bother" but a pleasure to share it. Unfortunally, I couldn't find the original article that I was initially talking about (can't find the magazine) but fortunally I found another article in another magazine (this one called "Air International") which while a little bit less informative (since it kinda center on the F-117 recent retirement) it basically says the same things that I mentioned before with only a little difference - According to this article the F-22 is a little bit less stealthy than the F-117 but it still says that the B-2 is the stealthiest of all US Stealth aircraft and the F-35 the least stealth (albeit probably more stealth than the F-117 in the front arc). Anyway here the 4 page article that I could find on the subject (I hope you like): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwK-B4mRQeNLWnB1V2J6NGpYRDA/edit?usp=sharing
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#3932065 - 03/30/14 09:31 AM
Re: B-2 over Belgrade....an extraordinary technical achievement
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There are some S-200V/D firing manuals around, and it would be nice to compare those to these open sources... ... albeit, Russians used to underestimate Stealth. There it is - 1 square meter (huge underestimation!)
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