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#3637982 - 09/04/12 11:54 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems ***** [Re: Lieste]  
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While these are official figures, I would handle those with a grain of salt...


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#3637985 - 09/04/12 11:59 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Is a Krug 'engagement' really one missile though? ~ I had the impression (not confirmed by checking the manuals I must admit) that almost all fired 2-3 missiles per target.

With 2 rounds for the engagement, the equivalent SSKP is 83% & within the range of the other missiles.

Obviously in the 'real world' nothing like this accuracy should be expected from any of these systems, especially if you have dense jamming and ARM considerations that might force dropping track, plus manoeuvring fighter targets.

#3638010 - 09/04/12 12:41 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted By: Lieste
Is a Krug 'engagement' really one missile though? ~ I had the impression (not confirmed by checking the manuals I must admit) that almost all fired 2-3 missiles per target.

With 2 rounds for the engagement, the equivalent SSKP is 83% & within the range of the other missiles.

Obviously in the 'real world' nothing like this accuracy should be expected from any of these systems, especially if you have dense jamming and ARM considerations that might force dropping track, plus manoeuvring fighter targets.


Continued on the KRUG topic...

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#3638304 - 09/04/12 06:57 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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try this video please....

BUK-M1

http://www.aparat.com/v/b5e17c753d2ee497cdb8683eb980a3cc162089
but just focus on 1:21 minutes of video... i seen one range indicator looks like sa-4 ganef range indicator !!!!!!!!!!
BUK take pattern of sa-4 range indicator ? or this indicator is normally and used on mobile sam system's????



PS: i have one semi-pro question.....! sa-3 in hungary + some country joined in nato removed, because this system was static, not mobile.
... but why sa-4 ganef removed???? that was mobile too confused

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#3638713 - 09/05/12 08:51 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
try this video please....

BUK-M1

http://www.aparat.com/v/b5e17c753d2ee497cdb8683eb980a3cc162089
but just focus on 1:21 minutes of video... i seen one range indicator looks like sa-4 ganef range indicator !!!!!!!!!!
BUK take pattern of sa-4 range indicator ? or this indicator is normally and used on mobile sam system's????


Quite normal, same is used in the Shilka.

Originally Posted By: milang

PS: i have one semi-pro question.....! sa-3 in hungary + some country joined in nato removed, because this system was static, not mobile.
... but why sa-4 ganef removed???? that was mobile too confused


In Hungary, the KRUG brigade mission was to protect the nuclear armed Scud missile brigade.
When the Cold War ended, and the Soviets removed the nuclear warheads of the Scud missiles, the Scud brigade was disbanded.
(there is no point to keep Scud missiles without nuclear tipped warhead)
When the Scud brigade was disbanded, there was also no point to keep the KRUG.

PS: Important to see, that while the KRUG main mission was to protect the SCUD brigade in Army-Front level, the KUB mission was to protect the tank regiments on division level.

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#3638808 - 09/05/12 12:46 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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pretty video from sa-3 , s-125-2T

PS: hpasp.... i read sa-3 PDF again nope... in this video i see pasive flight for once in my life time biggrin
why in sa-3 pdf u do not wrote about after burn how many time v-601 can pasive fligt on air? rolleyes


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#3638813 - 09/05/12 12:52 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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another 2 video about sa-3 launch and killed ashuluk target biggrin

PS: hpasp could u explain pleas... why in these video sa-3 missile doing hard Maneuvering on air
.... but we cant see like this Maneuvering's line on 3daar? popcorn

could u work on Maneuver line in 3daar like realistic missile Maneuver? cowboy


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: check 16 sceond's of first video with slow speed!
when missile launch downer wing's assemble on booster Pull out like Switchblade knife!!!
some one want explain about that pinnule's on s-125 boooster!!!? why that pinnule like Switchblade knife Pull out???



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#3638819 - 09/05/12 01:02 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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animation video about f-117 killed by sam thumbsup
i realy fear of this video....awsome seehearspeak


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#3638832 - 09/05/12 01:16 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thought this is for non-simulated SAM's...

#3638951 - 09/05/12 04:31 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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The AAR track *does* have wiggle in it, and if viewed from the rear the missile can be seen to oscillate, and deviate from the direct path to some extent... when viewed from the side or zenith however the track seen in the video would appear almost straight, as is the impression given by the default views of the AAR.

(why I've never been very convinced of drastic reduction in range with low to moderate manoeuvre requirements ~ the missile is usually flying with some AOA and 'g' load to follow/recross the desired mean path... if a turn is required the corrections become single sided and the missile turns ~ but there may be less, or a similar overload compared to the straight path).

#3641113 - 09/09/12 11:04 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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iraqian shilka VS iranian phantom


#3641526 - 09/10/12 05:59 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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what a awesome video biggrin (joking) (shilka)


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#3641537 - 09/10/12 07:24 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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2010 live exercise (unknown location) from russia ? or serbia??? confused


#3641578 - 09/10/12 11:14 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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i have qouestion....

sa-6 gainful could engage with target's withot target acquisition radar???? rolleyes

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#3641947 - 09/10/12 09:08 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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The great debate; tracks vs wheels smile


#3642834 - 09/12/12 10:39 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Not exactly an air defence... But even more exciting: test launch of 53T6 (SH-08 Gazelle) anti-ballistic missile at Priozersk (better known as Sary-Shagan). During start, this missile experiences an acceleration of 200G and climbs to 30000 meters in just 5-6 seconds. Maximum speed exceeds 4000 m/sec. No detailed photos of the missile are ever published, since it is still top secret.
It's a long video, but more than worth watching.



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#3642838 - 09/12/12 10:56 AM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Another S-300 exercises, at Telemba (Russian far east):


#3643014 - 09/12/12 04:26 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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hummmmm part of reall video about killling that f-16 with sa-6! Unknown FCO !
why camera do no show face of SA-6 FCO

#3643033 - 09/12/12 04:52 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Hpasp]  
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Lonewolf - great finds!!! thumbsup

#3643058 - 09/12/12 05:43 PM Re: News and Videos of not simulated SAM Systems [Re: Lonewolf357]  
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Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Another S-300 exercises, at Telemba (Russian far east):

Click to reveal..


Ahhh, my favourite system!!!
S-300PS Volhov-M6 (SA-10B)
tuner

Last edited by Hpasp; 09/12/12 05:43 PM.

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