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#3792475 - 06/05/13 05:43 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) ***** [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3812268 - 07/20/13 08:16 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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in manual pdf hpasp do not wrote about sustainer speed !

hpasp.... wave
i guess this missile fly at low speed as i feel !
what is 3m8m3 missile ?

#3875833 - 12/12/13 09:21 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3909716 - 02/10/14 07:10 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: piston79]  
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3909740 - 02/10/14 10:02 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Former Czechoslovak training Krug....




#3921653 - 03/07/14 09:06 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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What is the vehicle in the third picture? Height finder or perhaps part of a target simulator system?

#3921666 - 03/07/14 10:00 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Architrav]  
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Originally Posted By: Architrav
What is the vehicle in the third picture? Height finder or perhaps part of a target simulator system?


SNR on the move....

#3921805 - 03/08/14 07:18 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Architrav]  
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Originally Posted By: Architrav
What is the vehicle in the third picture? Height finder or perhaps part of a target simulator system?


Page 8-9 of the English Manual...


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3921821 - 03/08/14 08:55 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Of course. duh

#3921857 - 03/08/14 11:38 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Former Czechoslovak training Krug....


Please, could you share the source? It is important...

(Do you know the names of the people on the picture)?

#3924543 - 03/14/14 07:16 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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I will send you a PM....

#3946656 - 04/29/14 07:23 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd






Guys, it looks like the transmitting antennae of SA-4 and SA-8 are on the same principle - they have a reflector (or some kind of filter) in front of transmitter antenna.....

#3946660 - 04/29/14 07:30 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: piston79]  
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Guys, it looks like the transmitting antennae of SA-4 and SA-8 are on the same principle - they have a reflector (or some kind of filter) in front of transmitter antenna.....


For SA-8b it is truth that it is reflector because of one transmitting /receiving antenna.

#3946677 - 04/29/14 07:59 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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It is a filter, I am not sure whether it is a some kind of polarizer (received signal has different polarization) or some band pass or so on. Anyways one antenna for transmit/receive is also true for other systems (except for Vega and PODSVET mode at Volkhov and tracking mode of Neva). Switching is done in other ways (for example switching within waveguide with a special "switch").

#3946680 - 04/29/14 08:07 PM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
It is a filter, I am not sure whether it is a some kind of polarizer (received signal has different polarization) or some band pass or so on. Anyways one antenna for transmit/receive is also true for other systems (except for Vega and PODSVET mode at Volkhov and tracking mode of Neva). Switching is done in other ways (for example switching within waveguide with a special "switch").


For OSA also works polarizing the receiving signals !

#3946899 - 04/30/14 06:49 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes, that's what I wrote, polarizing filter :-)

#3983669 - 07/21/14 01:22 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Question about the range: A book I'm reading (and Wikipedia (I know, crap source)) lists the range of the SA-4 as being almost 800km). What's up with that, is there any truth to it? Different version than the one in SAM sim, or just straight off the walls wrong?

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#3983745 - 07/21/14 05:31 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: scrim]  
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I think that that number refers to the range the TEL can travel without having to refuel, which seems to be the only reasonable hypothesis.

#3983784 - 07/21/14 09:57 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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At the first sight, isn't it strange for such a small missile to travel for 800km (just imagine Vega size and it has only 250km flight range)? nope screwy

And if you look at wikipedia, there are two CLEARLY identified sections, one for TEL (range of 780km) and one for missile (55km)....

#3983808 - 07/21/14 11:56 AM Re: 2K11-M1 KRUG-M1 (SA-4B Ganef) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Ah yes, so it does. However, the book says "An example of a ramjet powered SAM was the Krug missile (NATO reporting name SA-4) of the former Soviet Union. The use of a ramjet gave the Krug an exceptionally long operational range - almost 800km!"

So, you're probably gonna want to steer well clear of "Surface-to-Air Missiles: Part of the Weapons of War Series" by Andrew May. Damn Wikipedia scientist is what he appears to be.

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