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#3696080 - 12/10/12 08:05 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) ***** [Re: piston79]  
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These charts are for the V-600 missile.

The V601 uses a much more advanced radio proxy fuse (5E18).
It detects the target between 0..105m or 0..30m (SB) distance.
(adding receiver gain with impulse time)

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#3696623 - 12/11/12 01:55 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Maximum target speed is 700 m/s!


Target altitude less than 100 meters!


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#3697478 - 12/12/12 12:04 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79

Pity, that Hpasp is too bussy with doing a Christmass gift for Faroukh, Max and other childrens, santa and cannot help in this one...


only me and max?
what about you?
out Here , more than thousand people wants to see samsim next level(future)!

we are just FAN
we are just activity samsim users

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#3698968 - 12/14/12 05:50 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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hpasp two question:

1.in ashuluk target with sa-3 always my "miss distance" is usually under 20m but in scenarios my "miss distance" is upper than 70 m why?
how can i fix this ? its normal or i have to do another tactics ?

2.what different between sa-2 CG method and sa-3 CG method?
why in sa-2 we can use self destruction, but in sa-3 we cant use it!

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#3699471 - 12/15/12 02:26 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
dear hpasp two question:

1.in ashuluk target with sa-3 always my "miss distance" is usually under 20m but in scenarios my "miss distance" is upper than 70 m why?
how can i fix this ? its normal or i have to do another tactics ?


Real targets might not fly so low parameter (or try to avoid missiles), as the Ashuluk targets.

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2.what different between sa-2 CG method and sa-3 CG method?


Never heard of "CG" method.

Originally Posted By: farokh

why in sa-2 we can use self destruction, but in sa-3 we cant use it!


You can self destruct the Neva missile, similarly to the Volhov.

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#3699488 - 12/15/12 03:04 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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hpasp ... my mean from CG was Command Guided

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#3699511 - 12/15/12 03:35 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
hpasp ... my mean from CG was Command Guided


Still not get it...
... you have K/TT methods on both systems.

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#3699598 - 12/15/12 06:10 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: farokh
hpasp ... my mean from CG was Command Guided


Still not get it...
... you have K/TT methods on both systems.


ok, lets begin this subject from other view...
....how many command guided methods developed in the world?

i see one new method in the s-125 pechora 2A, they call it "SNK-A" with low "missile trajectory deviation up to 40m"
also they fire one missile on T/T method with "trajectory deviation up to 80m"

why we have not any SNK-A on samsim? s-125 pechora 2A fired on T/T , so this system use command guided too like neva/pechora

you can analyze this video on 50th seconds
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3699511/8.html

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#3699601 - 12/15/12 06:14 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: farokh
i see one new method in the s-125 pechora 2A, they call it "SNK-A" with low "missile trajectory deviation up to 40m"
also they fire one missile on T/T method with "trajectory deviation up to 80m"
why we have not any SNK-A on samsim? s-125 pechora 2A fired on T/T , so this system use command guided too like neva/pechora


Which variant of S-125 (SA-3) is simulated into the SAMSIM??? (Bet IT IS NOT "PECHORA 2A"!)


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#3699603 - 12/15/12 06:19 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: farokh
i see one new method in the s-125 pechora 2A, they call it "SNK-A" with low "missile trajectory deviation up to 40m"
also they fire one missile on T/T method with "trajectory deviation up to 80m"
why we have not any SNK-A on samsim? s-125 pechora 2A fired on T/T , so this system use command guided too like neva/pechora


Which variant of S-125 (SA-3) is simulated into the SAMSIM??? (Bet IT IS NOT "PECHORA 2A"!



piston79? grrr i ask this question from hpasp biggrin

i want know just about other command guided methods, like SNK-A
what is it? what different between SNK-A and T/T? confused

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#3699626 - 12/15/12 07:12 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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As the manual of SAMSIM states, its simulates the operation of the "S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa)" system, "Realistic to the Switch".

No Pechora please...


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#3721093 - 01/19/13 07:19 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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250.rb at Shabla firing range.


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#3721307 - 01/20/13 01:49 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Markan]  
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Great video.

Anyone else notice that the track line moves from right to left and back again at the 6:50 mark? Switching between displaying the left or right receiver?

I guess that's a switch we don't have in SAMSim.

#3721539 - 01/20/13 02:29 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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Great video!

Anyone else notice that the track line moves from right to left and back again at the 6:50 mark? Switching between displaying the left or right receiver? I guess that's a switch we don't have in SAMSim.

Correct guess! smile
This one (missing from the sim):


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#3748150 - 03/09/13 03:45 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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02:04am 2nd of May, 1999.
Operation Allied Force, F-16CG Falcon DEAD mission against Belgrade Air Defense


Supporting force:
F-15C Eagle CAP
F-16CJ Falcon SEAD
EA-6B Prowler ECM
RQ-1 Predator UAV


8/250 rd PVO, Stubline ( 89m)
S-125M1 Neva

00:02:47, F-16CG Night Falcon DEAD Hammer-31 bombed AAA defending the Veliki Radinci reserve AFB, with LGB.

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00:03:48, SNR ON AIR


00:03:52, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:04:20, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 165
Target elevation: 30
Target altitude: 9.6km
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)


00:04:42, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-16CJ Weasel Falcon SEAD Crack-71 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 38sec



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#3748509 - 03/10/13 11:31 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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question from hpasp about during killing f-16 555th by genral zoltan dani.

1.zoltan dani for tracking f-16 555th used from what kinde of method for tracking target altitude ? IADS was enable for zoltan dani ?

2. in allied forces scenario ! i check all of f-16 and f-15 over there on p-18 scope! why fighters dont used DM jammer for hiding from p-18 or p-15 scope ? confused

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#3748548 - 03/10/13 02:14 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: farokh]  
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DM jammers are big. Too big for an F-16 or F-15.

#3748933 - 03/11/13 07:33 AM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Markan]  
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Originally Posted By: Markan
250.rb at Shabla firing range.



Excellent video!

Why is missile doing so many extra "movement". That's a lot of E its burning off

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It seems to be something all command guided missiles do. Probably since it doesn't know exactly where the missile is from moment to moment, it's hard to know exactly which way the missile is going until it's gone that way a few metres.

#3749380 - 03/11/13 11:24 PM Re: S-125M1 Neva (SA-3B Goa) [Re: Hpasp]  
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While the manoeuvres look 'many' and extreme viewed end-on... they are relatively "straight" absolutely and particularly when compared to a passive IR missile in P/N mode, which turns significantly.

All missiles have 'slop' in aerodynamics and control ~ these just 'meander' single sided a bit more ~ but a higher frequency 'jitter' around the mean of a lower amplitude will generate very similar (possibly even higher for a 'tighter' profile) drag, and only marginally longer range if that... Lofting and better prediction of impact point will give longer range, but only in cases where the target is non-manoeuvring (or lacks the time to appreciably alter position compare to predicted impact point).

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