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#3814492 - 07/26/13 10:38 AM Re: AARs [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore

I think it's more because the bombers are using the wrong type of jammer, and maybe that missiles are too accurate.


its not about jammer or somthing else ! i guess they doesnt had 11s switch for attack to jamer targets !
be aware that they used from sa-2C and we used sa-2F

of course this is my guess ... maybe im wrong maybe im close to truth !

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#3814686 - 07/26/13 04:38 PM Re: AARs [Re: Mdore]  
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Originally Posted By: Mdore
Well, I disagree that I'm doing well because I played the missions many times before.



It happens that I didn't use SA-2-s for long time ago before doing my experiment.... Of course, it is not like doing a mission for a first time... wink

#3814971 - 07/27/13 08:13 AM Re: AARs [Re: farokh]  
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By 1972 the US were using modulated noise jamming, which looks like this.



No jamming.


Okay, that's from an SA-3 not an SA-2, but the idea is the same.

Modulated noise jamming makes multiple moving bands of jamming, not a single thick one. That makes it virtually impossible to know exactly the angles to the target.

#3923353 - 03/11/14 07:27 PM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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Ive been practicing a lot the first lybian scenario with s-125

This is my best result so far (i find this scenario extremely difficult, to achieve some results any given day i have to practice it a lot before getting something, and i find almost impossible to get your snr surviving after some shots).

Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi. S-125M1 Neva

2 A-7 corsair kills
1 hit on a-6 intruder.
SNR survives

Click to reveal..


2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.

Targets:
Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America)
Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

Supporting force:
8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers)
1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

S-125M1 Neva

22:21, P-15 knocked out by HARM.


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00:01:04, SNR ON AIR


00:01:10, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:01:30, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:01:37, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:01:40, SNR ON AIR


00:01:49, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:02:14, SNR ON AIR


00:02:20, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:02:32, SNR ON AIR


00:02:36, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:02:56, SNR ON AIR


00:03:02, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:09, SNR ON AIR


00:03:13, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:16, SNR ON AIR


00:03:21, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:25, SNR ON AIR


00:03:29, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:33, SNR ON AIR


00:03:38, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:40, SNR ON AIR


00:03:44, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:45, SNR ON AIR


00:03:49, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:50, SNR ON AIR


00:03:54, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:54, SNR ON AIR


00:03:58, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:03:59, SNR ON AIR


00:04:00, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 189
Target elevation: 29
Target altitude: 2,8km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:04:09, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)

00:04:10, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------

00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

+++++++++++++++++
00:04:45, SNR ON AIR


00:04:49, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:04:49, SNR ON AIR


00:04:56, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:00, SNR ON AIR

00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:02, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

00:05:05, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:05:07, SNR ON AIR


00:05:13, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:16, SNR ON AIR


00:05:21, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:23, SNR ON AIR


00:05:27, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:28, SNR ON AIR


00:05:33, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:33, SNR ON AIR


00:05:38, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:39, SNR ON AIR


00:05:44, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:05:45, SNR ON AIR

00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

00:05:49, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:05:49, SNR ON AIR


00:05:52, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:05:52, SNR ON AIR


00:05:54, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 156
Target elevation: 28
Target altitude: 2,8km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)


00:06:04, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) hit by SAM. (miss distance: 74m)

00:06:05, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------

00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:34, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

+++++++++++++++++
00:06:42, SNR ON AIR


00:06:50, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:06:58, SNR ON AIR


00:07:03, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:07:10, SNR ON AIR


00:07:14, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------

00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

+++++++++++++++++
00:07:20, SNR ON AIR


00:07:24, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:07:29, SNR ON AIR


00:07:35, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:07:36, SNR ON AIR


00:07:41, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:07:41, SNR ON AIR


00:07:46, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:07:46, SNR ON AIR


00:07:51, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:07:51, SNR ON AIR


00:07:56, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:07:56, SNR ON AIR


00:08:01, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:08:01, SNR ON AIR


00:08:03, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:08:04, SNR ON AIR

00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.

00:08:05, V601P 5V27U Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 189
Target elevation: 33
Target altitude: 2,8km
Missile guidance method: PS (Lead)

00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

00:08:13, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m)

00:08:13, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


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00:08:52, SNR ON AIR


00:08:55, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:08:59, SNR ON AIR


00:09:01, SNR OFF THE AIR
-----------------


Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 41sec



Last edited by milo11; 03/11/14 08:47 PM.
#3924785 - 03/14/14 06:00 PM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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Same scenario with sa-2e volhov.
Again the same principles as with neva (keeping illuminating-firing-detonation cycle time to a minimum < 10 secs). No "flashing car bug" (as it only works with dvina) was used.

Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.
2 x a-7e corasir II kills
2 x f/a-18 kills
SNR survives

Click to reveal..


2:00am 15th of April, 1986.
Operation El-Dorado Canyon raid against Benghazi.

Targets:
Jamahiriyah barracks - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-66 USS America)
Benghazi AFB - 6 A-6E Intruder (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

Supporting force:
8 SEAD F/A-18A Hornet (VMFA-314 Black Knights, VMFA-323 Death Rattlers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 SEAD A-7E Corsair-II (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks from the CV-66 USS America)
6 CAP F/A-18A Hornet (VFA-131 Wildcats, VFA-132 Privateers from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
3 ECM EA-6B Prowler (VAQ-135 Rooks, VMAQ-2 Playboys from both carriers)
1 SIGINT EA-3B Skywarrior (VQ-2 Sandeman from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)
2 AWACS E-2C Hawkeye (VAW-127 Seabats from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea)

S-75M3 Volkhov


+++++++++++++++++
00:00:00, SNR ON AIR


00:03:36, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 179
Target elevation: 31
Target altitude: 2,9km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:44, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 33m)
00:04:15, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:04:16, A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:05:01, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:02, A-6E Intruder No.2 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:05:47, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:05:48, A-6E Intruder No.3 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:06:33, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:06:34, A-6E Intruder No.4 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:07:19, A-6E Intruder No.5 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.
00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-66 USS America) bombed Jamahiriyah barracks.
00:08:05, A-6E Intruder No.6 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) bombed Benghazi AFB.

00:08:13, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 199
Target elevation: 33
Target altitude: 2,9km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:08:21, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-7E Corsair-II No.2, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 7m)

00:09:37, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 14
Target elevation: 32
Target altitude: 2,9km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:09:44, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F/A-18A Hornet No.2, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 16m)

00:13:29, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 348
Target elevation: 32
Target altitude: 2,9km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:13:36, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F/A-18A Hornet No.1, VMFA-314 Black Knights killed by SAM. (miss distance: 18m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 18min 48sec


#3924855 - 03/14/14 07:19 PM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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...but with working P-12/18....

#3924881 - 03/14/14 08:09 PM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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True, but its also true IMO that after playing this scenario over and over again p-12/p-18 is not that important...

IMO this demonstrates, that we can outscore easily real life performances mainly because after playing thse scripted scenarios 1000 times, you know pretty much everything about what the enemy is doing without effort...

#3924912 - 03/14/14 08:48 PM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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That is why scenario editor will be awesome. We can all create hypothetical situations and share them between us. Every time you open SAMsim situation will be different. biggrin I, personally, cant wait...

#4094261 - 03/20/15 10:15 AM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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19:12pm 30th of June 1970
Second attack wave, against Cairo air defense.

Target:
10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
4 A-4E Ahit

9K33M2 OSA-AK


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00:00:07, SNR ON AIR


00:08:56, 9M33M2 Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 5km
Target azimuth: 153
Target elevation: 1

00:09:04, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade hit by SAM. (miss distance: 17m)

00:09:06, 9M33M2 Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 2km
Target azimuth: 158
Target elevation: 2

00:09:11, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 5m)

00:09:20, 9M33M2 Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 1km
Target azimuth: 158
Target elevation: 2

00:09:25, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 9min 25sec

#4369530 - 07/17/17 12:18 AM Re: AARs [Re: Cat]  
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A funny situation biggrin 2 missiles against SEAD planes, SNR off after first one hit (second still on the way) and then..a blind hit on A-6! Anyone could explain how it happened? My lock was on A-7, I am sure of that.

S-75M3 Volkhov


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00:00:00, SNR ON AIR


00:00:01, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:00:31, SNR ON AIR


00:00:37, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:01:09, SNR ON AIR


00:01:09, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:01:11, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 34km
Target azimuth: 190°
Target elevation: 2°
Target altitude: 1,2km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


+++++++++++++++++
00:01:11, SNR ON AIR


00:01:17, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 33km
Target azimuth: 190°
Target elevation: 2°
Target altitude: 1,2km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:01:27, A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen launched AGM-88 HARM missile No. 1


00:01:52, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-7E Corsair-II No.1, VA-46 Clansmen killed by SAM. (miss distance: 13m)

00:01:59, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-6E Intruder No.1 (from the CV-43 USS Coral Sea) hit by SAM. (miss distance: 174m)

00:01:59, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:02:24, SNR ON AIR


00:02:33, SNR OFF THE AIR
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00:02:38, SNR ON AIR


00:02:42, SNR OFF THE AIR
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Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 7sec

#4369566 - 07/17/17 04:30 AM Re: AARs [Re: Milten]  
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Where is 3DAAR?

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