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#3625020 - 08/12/12 07:02 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Does anyone noticed something different with Volkhov killing zones (launch envelope) displayed from APP-75 in T/T and UPR modes? It is quite different now in "El Dorado canyon", than in the previouse version...? Not checked on other scenarious, but it's different...

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#3625022 - 08/12/12 07:14 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Does anyone noticed something different with Volkhov killing zones (launch envelope) displayed from APP-75 in T/T and UPR modes? It is quite different now in "El Dorado canyon", than in the previouse version...? Not checked on other scenarious, but it's different...



without invulnerable mode i have a good handle to hunt some aircraft on el dorado canyon hick

could u tell me witch scenario ? first or twice or third scenario? confused

#3625024 - 08/12/12 07:18 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Against Blackbird...

#3625077 - 08/12/12 09:22 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Against Blackbird...

uhhhh... i think my all of bone behind pc is break reading

ok. piston .... i do it! only with nuclear warhead

Click to reveal..
9:20am 15th of April, 1986.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight.

S-75M3 Volkhov


00:01:35, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 91km
Target azimuth: 69°
Target elevation: 13°
Target altitude: 21.3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:42, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 86km
Target azimuth: 67°
Target elevation: 14°
Target altitude: 21.3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:47, V-760 15D Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 82km
Target azimuth: 66°
Target elevation: 15°
Target altitude: 21.3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:02:39, Missile exploded on Channel-1
SR-71 Tromp-30 hit by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 3541m)

00:02:45, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Tromp-30 hit by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 3341m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 1sec





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#3625119 - 08/12/12 10:27 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Click to reveal..








That's where I got the SR-71

#3625349 - 08/13/12 06:28 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: max2012]  
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Originally Posted By: max2012

Hello Milang!

This max2012!

Is that you missed was far from undermining the very admitted my mistake, I'm just like you can not knock down any way.

00:02:39, Missile exploded on Channel-a
SR-71 Tromp-30 hit by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 3541m)

00:02:45, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Tromp-30 hit by nuclear blast. (distance from epicenter: 3341m)

Far away to be in the range of 2000 m

Miss you!

Shoot the mean time when the line of the meeting was not included in the kill zone window, shoot a bit ahead.

Otherwise, if later, the rocket is going to catch up and all of it away from them.


hi max2012.... nice to meet u biggrin .... i know my shoot was not enough but that was my first time to hit this aircraft on libya
of course in next time i do my best for break my record
so could u explain why nuclear sa-2E missile have to explode on 2000M? so if my launch was far far from target why s-71 going down?


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That's where I got the SR-71



that a nice shot thumbsup


Originally Posted By: max2012

If you want to show the video as I was hit, that you have tried as well.

I, too, it was difficult to shoot it down!



excuse me i dont understand what is your mean...! u mean is i have to creat video from this hunt dude? seehearspeak

#3626133 - 08/14/12 02:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I have tested S-200VE against SR-71 in Tallinn scenario.

I launched six missiles, the first which achieved a lock after start was fired at distance of almost 200km and with RSSI of 19,7dB.

Click to reveal..
1967.
SR-71 Operation Tallin.

S-200VE Vega-E


00:09:47, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 237km
Target azimuth: 48°
Target elevation: 4°
Target angular speed: 908m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 14,2dB


00:10:03, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 223km
Target azimuth: 49°
Target elevation: 5°
Target angular speed: 906m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 16,1dB


00:10:24, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 204km
Target azimuth: 50°
Target elevation: 5°
Target angular speed: 903m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 18,5dB


00:10:34, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 195km
Target azimuth: 50°
Target elevation: 6°
Target angular speed: 901m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 19,7dB


00:10:49, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 182km
Target azimuth: 51°
Target elevation: 6°
Target angular speed: 898m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 21,4dB


00:10:54, Missile launched from launcher-6
Target distance: 177km
Target azimuth: 51°
Target elevation: 7°
Target angular speed: 897m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 22,1dB


00:12:03, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 5m)

00:12:13, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m)

00:12:17, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 9m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 11min 9sec

#3626201 - 08/14/12 03:52 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
I have tested S-200VE against SR-71 in Tallinn scenario.
I launched six missiles, the first which achieved a lock after start was fired at distance of almost 200km and with RSSI of 19,7dB.


What is your point? That now missiles achieved lock-on, based on distance to the target?

#3626300 - 08/14/12 06:00 PM SR-71 vs. Vega  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
I have tested S-200VE against SR-71 in Tallinn scenario.

I launched six missiles, the first which achieved a lock after start was fired at distance of almost 200km and with RSSI of 19,7dB.

Click to reveal..
1967.
SR-71 Operation Tallin.

S-200VE Vega-E


00:09:47, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 237km
Target azimuth: 48°
Target elevation: 4°
Target angular speed: 908m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 14,2dB


00:10:03, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 223km
Target azimuth: 49°
Target elevation: 5°
Target angular speed: 906m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 16,1dB


00:10:24, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 204km
Target azimuth: 50°
Target elevation: 5°
Target angular speed: 903m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 18,5dB


00:10:34, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 195km
Target azimuth: 50°
Target elevation: 6°
Target angular speed: 901m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 19,7dB


00:10:49, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 182km
Target azimuth: 51°
Target elevation: 6°
Target angular speed: 898m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 21,4dB


00:10:54, Missile launched from launcher-6
Target distance: 177km
Target azimuth: 51°
Target elevation: 7°
Target angular speed: 897m/s (3,2 Mach)
Target altitude: 24km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 22,1dB


00:12:03, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 5m)

00:12:13, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 8m)

00:12:17, Missile exploded
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 9m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 11min 9sec


alien please dont tell me u wanna create Comparison between sa-5 with sa-2E for hunt sr-71 duh
evry person know what different between s-200 and v-750 20DSU ! banghead
this is realy not logical Comparison if u want begin Comparison between algolithm and parameters of sa-2E and sa-5b

#3626674 - 08/15/12 06:07 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
What is your point? That now missiles achieved lock-on, based on distance to the target?

I just tried what is the minimum RSSI (or maximum firing distance) for missiles to achieve lock (officially there should be about 25dB).

#3626675 - 08/15/12 06:09 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Have someone tried my approach to shoot SR-71 in Libya down?

#3626695 - 08/15/12 07:46 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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some body tell me why orginal sam sim topic is locked ????????

#3626706 - 08/15/12 08:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3626533/Locked_original_topic_and_stic.html#Post3626533

If you read the topic above you should know :-)

There is plan to make SAMSIM forum with different threads for different topics. It will lead to better information availability.

#3626719 - 08/15/12 08:58 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Originally Posted By: piston79
What is your point? That now missiles achieved lock-on, based on distance to the target?

I just tried what is the minimum RSSI (or maximum firing distance) for missiles to achieve lock (officially there should be about 25dB).


ok... back to the orginal subject!

alien..loook! there is big different between tracking sa-2E and sa-5b! i can show u i can shot down sr-71 wit sa-2E near kill zone on 50km!
but one thing! that sr-71 shoted down by u.. he still at good situation about altitude!
one and good reason for kiling s-71 with 17 or 18 db just have a one reason! just sr-71 fly on good altitude for sa-5B also sr-71 have big body for easy tracking ...is'nt? thumbsup

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#3626734 - 08/15/12 09:47 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Reagrding SR-71 I tested (practical) minimum of RSSI, nothing else :-)
And the reason you can shoot way below 25dB is the SR-71's huge speed on incoming course thumbsup

The problem why we are not yet able to shoot SR-71 down in Libya is the fact it is turning form almost east to almost north at the edge of S-75's destruction zone and missiles simply can not catch it.

#3626735 - 08/15/12 09:53 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

The problem why we are not yet able to shoot SR-71 down in Libya is the fact it is turning form almost east to almost north at the edge of S-75's destruction zone and missiles simply can not catch it.


corect... thumbsup only reason for runing s-71 is just he flying very near to out of kill zone!
v-755 20dsu speed, after pass 45 km going down slowly but sr-71 still on air with 3 mach wave2

but i think if hpasp added v-759 5ya23 missile on that scenario ... we have more chance to get him down biggrin

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#3626741 - 08/15/12 10:20 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
but i think if hpasp added v-759 5ya23 missile on that scenario ... we have more chance to get him down biggrin


Not sure... 5ya23 has a shorter range and is slower than DSU.

#3626745 - 08/15/12 10:40 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: milang
but i think if hpasp added v-759 5ya23 missile on that scenario ... we have more chance to get him down biggrin


Not sure... 5ya23 has a shorter range and is slower than DSU.

what? jawdrop please check again sa2E pdf exactly page 35 and 37 !
i tested this 2 missile on ashuluk on b-1 practice target ! i get better result with 5Ya23 than 20DSU popcorn

ofcourse it's Just depending on personal preference. thumbsup

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#3627043 - 08/15/12 06:15 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
what? please check again sa2E pdf exactly page 35 and 37 !


Wrong... But G's table is OK, you can compare:
V-755 (DSU) -2.7-3 G at 25 km
V-759 (5Ya23) -3-3.3 G at 25 km

Quote:
i tested this 2 missile on ashuluk on b-1 practice target ! i get better result with 5Ya23 than 20DSU


Not surprised... (See above)

#3628787 - 08/18/12 08:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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i guess that 2 type of sa-2E missile not much different toghether nope just v-759 has a better manuever than DSU! just it

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