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#3617939 - 08/01/12 09:25 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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nice  ps: mr.hpasp could u creat one PDF about how we can run from anti radiation missile in sam simulator???  in tripoli scenario i realy tidid for swich up my antenna and transmiter  use invincible mode!  yeaah piston i like this mode...! with this mode i hit one agm-88 harm in tripoli but..... i remember 3 harm hit me and 4th harm hit by me   any way...: i read some where about operation allied forces about col. dani zoltan!  i read col.dani zoltan never loose even 1 system by harm!  is it right??? if this news was true: (col. zoltan dani god of sa-3) 
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#3618034 - 08/01/12 01:52 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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any way...: i read some where about operation allied forces about col. dani zoltan! i read col.dani zoltan never loose even 1 system by harm! is it right??? if this news was true: (col. zoltan dani god of sa-3) It's true
By reading this post you agree that i'm not responsible for any of your reckless actions
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#3618083 - 08/01/12 02:51 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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When using the SA-4 in El Dorado Canyon with invulnerable mode selected, I have the SNR active continuously. When the first HARM hits, the simulation automatically exits to the after action report. This behavior does not occur with the other SAM systems when invulnerable mode is selected. Think someone else also mentioned... Should be a bug... Also when shooting against P-15 on Ustka, missiles droped down into the sea, don't know why...
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#3618312 - 08/01/12 07:50 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hpasp seems to be right on this one, the -50 seems to be some sort of lens or other type of reflector, creating a larger RCS than the aircraft and thus seducing the missile away, or at least moving the reflection centroid behind the aircraft.
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#3618379 - 08/01/12 09:34 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hpasp seems to be right on this one, the -50 seems to be some sort of lens or other type of reflector, creating a larger RCS than the aircraft and thus seducing the missile away, or at least moving the reflection centroid behind the aircraft. I still don't think so and I still believe that the AN/ALE-50 acts as active jammer. Here's another "evidence" that seems to confirm that the AN/ALE-50 acts or can act as a jammer. The source is in this book: http://books.google.pt/books?id=Y8kePYFK...ing&f=false There you can read: "It (the ALE-50) is a repeater jammer which repeats the received signal at a higher power level" In the same entry it also states that the ALE-50 Decoy Operation mode is: RF and ACTIVE. This same book/link also have an entry on the more advanced AN/ALE-55.
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#3618856 - 08/02/12 04:27 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hi, someone for SA-4 against low targets... I cannot hit at all.... KRUG is not suited against low altitude targets. Minimum target altitude is 250~150m
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#3618877 - 08/02/12 04:50 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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KRUG is not suited against low altitude targets.
Minimum target altitude is 250~150m Practice target: P-15 2K11 KRUG-M1 00:30, Practice target P-15 launched 00:01:39, Missile launched Target distance: 24km Target azimuth: 329° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 171mMissile guidance method: 1/2 (Half Lead)
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#3618925 - 08/02/12 05:49 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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KRUG is not suited against low altitude targets.
Minimum target altitude is 250~150m Practice target: P-15 2K11 KRUG-M1 00:30, Practice target P-15 launched 00:01:39, Missile launched Target distance: 24km Target azimuth: 329° Target elevation: 0° Target altitude: 171mMissile guidance method: 1/2 (Half Lead) Dear Comrade, Please describe the reasoning behind your missile guidance method selection. The KRUG is missing the K method, so it can easily guide the missile into the ground. The firing manual states: If the target is less 500m, it can be fired only at 18km If the target is less 250m, it can be fired only at 14km You are warned to this situation by a YELLOW h<5 lamp. Also be aware, that the P-15 changes its altitude during flight. (Even Patriots failed to intercept it in Kuwait.)
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#3618939 - 08/02/12 06:09 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Great article about Operation Odyssey Dawn and Unified Protector! (2011 Libya) In 2011, a US and NATO-led air campaign attacked various military targets in Libya in support of anti-Qaddafi elements seeking to overthrow the Libyan ruler. Close analysis of the targets struck and the resultant effects on the Libyan military provide insight into the planning and execution of future military efforts designed to aid internal actors revolting against existing governments.http://www.mediafire.com/view/?drugcs234vi6ky8 
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#3618944 - 08/02/12 06:18 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Dear Comrade, Please describe the reasoning behind your missile guidance method selection. The KRUG is missing the K method, so it can easily guide the missile into the ground. The firing manual states: If the target is less 500m, it can be fired only at 18km If the target is less 250m, it can be fired only at 14km You are warned to this situation by a YELLOW h<5 lamp. Also be aware, that the P-15 changes its altitude during flight. (Even Patriots failed to intercept it in Kuwait.) 1. Same with T/T. 2. All missiles fail to fly over 8 km distance.
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#3618961 - 08/02/12 07:07 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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1. Same with T/T.
2. All missiles fail to fly over 8 km distance.
i test it piston.... step by step with different launch distance!  i guess u launched missile very soon  try again! mayhap it work fine...  report after action Ustka training ground.
Practice target:
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2K11 KRUG-M1
00:30, Practice target P-15 launched
00:01:09, Missile launched
Target distance: 27km
Target azimuth: 340°
Target elevation: 0°
Target altitude: 243m
Missile guidance method: 1/2 (Half Lead)
00:01:46, Missile launched
Target distance: 20km
Target azimuth: 336°
Target elevation: 0°
Target altitude: 161m
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:02:07, Missile launched
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 350°
Target elevation: 1°
Target altitude: 281m
Missile guidance method: 1/2 (Half Lead)
00:02:23, Missile launched
Target distance: 10km
Target azimuth: 352°
Target elevation: 1°
Target altitude: 285m
Missile guidance method: TT (Three Point)
00:02:33, Missile exploded
Practice target P-15 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 47m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 0sec
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#3619114 - 08/02/12 11:06 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Thanks, Milang... Probably not my SAM, though...  dont give up soldier  you are who shoted down f-14 in lybia dear piston.... i guess u choose one hard training level! when im trainin with p-15 from 2 times ,1 time im loose  its normal.... just try and watch your distance! when p-15 come to 10km from u... u have to launch your missile! if 10km change to 8 .. u loose also of 10km change to 12 u loose! keep your eyes at 10km
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#3619290 - 08/03/12 07:26 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Still that bl**dy bug with the velocity 'point' not agreeing with the scale displayed... Yep... I cannot understand the mechanics of this thing either... Hpasp told us that when missile approaches the target, the SIM does measurements more frequently (on every 1/100 of the second, compared to 1/10 of the second if I remembered right), so this creates those peaks in the 3D AAR, but I cannot understand why...
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#3619297 - 08/03/12 07:47 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Yep... I cannot understand the mechanics of this thing either... Hpasp told us that when missile approaches the target, the SIM does measurements more frequently (on every 1/100 of the second, compared to 1/10 of the second if I remembered right), so this creates those peaks in the 3D AAR, but I cannot understand why...
This makes sense - the closer to target, the more precision is needed. I have seen a graph of K1 and K2 commands at Neva system - from launch to hit. As the missile gets closer, frequency of commands dramatically increases.
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Exodus
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