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#3616800 - 07/30/12 08:43 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I would say that the R-73 chart looks very, very suspicious down at low level ... biggrin

I suspect the target is something like a B-52 coming in at full steam ahead. smile

In any case, thanks for the charts, they are useful smile


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#3617078 - 07/31/12 04:29 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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TOTALLY off-topic but...any chance that SAMSIM will eventually support other monitor resolutions besides the default? I'm afraid I can't hit the resolution required so I can't try it out.

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#3617135 - 07/31/12 09:05 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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A question regarding Vega:

Let's imagine you want to shoot at a target, you acquire it in velocity and range and you launch your missile.

Target will see it and will start to jam (at 6GHz so it will jam both GSN and 5N62 receiver). What to do now?
Is there any way to switch GSN to POISK V VYKL (home on jam) during flight? Can this be achieved by the letmost switch in the target tracking panel and POMEKHA switch?

I think not, because KRO is only a receiver. But what if you set something before flight (the leftmost switch, there is some options like AVTO PEREZAKHVAT and so) so when the missile detects jamming it will switch its GSN to home on jam mode?

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#3617169 - 07/31/12 10:10 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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After missile is away, nothing can be done...
There is some stuff against jamming:
-Compensation Dopler frequency changing )?)
-manual speed trackimg
-wide beam of speed tracking
-avtoperezahvat of speed tracking

When shooting against noise jamming like in the SIM, AVTO PEREZAHVAT should be on.

#3617177 - 07/31/12 10:44 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp

PS: As you are all considered as independent SAM experts, I would really be interested in your opinion on the topic of the "Deputy Premier of the Soviet Union" overruling the "Chief SAM Engineer" view.

Was Ustinov right requesting 16 missiles for the Neva (SA-3) system, or 8 V-601 missiles is enough?


I'd say there is no such thing as too much missiles attack
It appears that Ustinov's request was dictated by actual combat experience in Vietnam and Middile East. He also requested the Osa (SA-8, which initially had only four missiles) to be equipped with 8 missiles. Designers could not fit 8, but managed to fit 6 to Osa-AK version.

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#3617180 - 07/31/12 10:53 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
After missile is away, nothing can be done...
There is some stuff against jamming:
-Compensation Dopler frequency changing )?)
-manual speed trackimg
-wide beam of speed tracking
-avtoperezahvat of speed tracking

When shooting against noise jamming like in the SIM, AVTO PEREZAHVAT should be on.

So when the target starts jamming during flight, missile is lost if I am correct?

#3617195 - 07/31/12 11:22 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Not if you take some precautions...


#3617227 - 07/31/12 12:51 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: castiglione]  
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Originally Posted By: castiglione
TOTALLY off-topic but...any chance that SAMSIM will eventually support other monitor resolutions besides the default? I'm afraid I can't hit the resolution required so I can't try it out.

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Current version can be started at any resolution...
...but you will need anything at 1280x1024, or above.


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#3617261 - 07/31/12 01:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Not if you take some precautions...
Click to reveal..



Thanks.
If I understand it correctly, then:
- MHI mode
- POMEHA BKL
- AS in PHI or V (whether target is jamming in case of its aquisition or not)
- UZK
- AVTO PEREZAHVAT
- but - what is RUCNAJA UKAZKA? manual setting of target's height or distance?

And what is meant by the term GRUPPOVYE jamming? presence of more jamming sources in the direction of 5N62?

PS: What is meant by KARTINNAJA PLOSKOST?

#3617266 - 07/31/12 01:51 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Now I find POLOSA SIR as one of the options for the letmost switch on the target tracking panel.
But what is POLOSA UZKAJA? I misinterpeted it as UZK setting of beamwidth.
Does it mean that all three options of that switch implicates POLOSA UZK?

#3617269 - 07/31/12 01:52 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Is there any book available which describes K2 controls and screens?

#3617294 - 07/31/12 02:23 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Now I find POLOSA SIR as one of the options for the letmost switch on the target tracking panel.
But what is POLOSA UZKAJA? I misinterpeted it as UZK setting of beamwidth.
Does it mean that all three options of that switch implicates POLOSA UZK?


SIROKIY / UZKIJ you should know from the Volhov SIROKIY/UZKIY LUCH.
(wide/narrow)


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#3617309 - 07/31/12 02:40 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yes I know it also from Vega (1,4 and 0,7 degree beamwidth, the switch with the green light). But what is POLOSA SIR and UZK and especially in connection with the leftmost switch on the target tracking panel?

#3617321 - 07/31/12 02:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Yes I know it also from Vega (1,4 and 0,7 degree beamwidth, the switch with the green light). But what is POLOSA SIR and UZK and especially in connection with the leftmost switch on the target tracking panel?


Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Yes I know it also from Vega (1,4 and 0,7 degree beamwidth, the switch with the green light). But what is POLOSA SIR and UZK and especially in connection with the leftmost switch on the target tracking panel?


The S-200VE Vega-E (SA-5B) system was designed to fulfill 3 different purpose:

- Kill the SR-71 or its successor
- Kill the incoming BGM-109 Tomahawk missiles with the CW tracking
- Kill the NATO standoff jammers

As killing NATO Standoff Jammers was one of the priority of this system, it has several options against several types of jammings.
I described those options in this topic, some time ago...

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#3617323 - 07/31/12 02:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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RUCNAJA UKAZKA - it is not simulated. i believe it is manual picking of the target (when a lot target returns are visible on the screen.
GRUPPOVYE - manny jammers (group jammers)
Click to reveal..

POLOSA UKAYA/SHIROKAYA - as I understand it, when GSN lost the track, it starts scanning in a narrow frequence sector for couple of secconds, than in wider sector and it always starts from higher frequency (higher velocity) to lower one. In some cases it's better to switch off narrow searching (KOMPENSACIA Fd - not simulated).
KARTINNAYA PLOSKOST- this is a "Dubna" feature (I've got this table from Dubna manual).
When discussed Tu-154 shot down, we wrote about that again, check those posts, because i wrote them down from the manual...

Here:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3597997/334.html

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#3617472 - 07/31/12 06:08 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I will try (no promises biggrin ) to release the next version of the SAM Simulator within the next two weeks.

Beside several bug corrections, you will have the possibility to face NATO at its full 1999 wrath...

F-15C "Eagle"
- 6xAIM-120
- 2xAIM-9M
- 3xFuel tank

F-16CJ Block-50 "Weasel in a Can"
- 2xHARM
- 2xAIM120A
- 2xAIM-9M
- AN/ASQ-213 Harm Targeting System (HTS) pod
- AN/ALQ-184 ECM pod
- 2xFuel Tank
- 2xAN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy

F-16CG Block-40 "Night Viper"
- 2xLGB
- 2xAIM120A
- 2xAIM-9M
- AN/AAQ-14 Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infra Red for Night (LANTRIN) pod
- AN/ALQ-184 ECM pod
- 2xFuel Tank
- 2xAN/ALE-50 Towed Decoy

RQ-1 Predator

B-2A "Stealth Bomber"
- 16xJDAM

F-117A "Stealth Fighter"
- 2xLGB

EA-6B Jammer

On Day 37 of Operation Allied Force, three Neva batteries defended Belgrade.


3/250 rd PVO located beside Petrovcic, launched 2 missiles against a Stealth target...
4/250 rd PVO located at Ritopek [Orlovsko gnezdo] (Eagles nests), launched 2 missiles...
5/250 rd PVO located beside Brestovik, launched 3 missiles against two targets...



On Day 39 of Operation Allied Force, three Neva batteries defended Belgrade.


1/250 rd PVO located beside Ugrinovci.
3/250 rd PVO located beside Karlovcic, launched 2 missiles against an F-16CG, and killed it.
8/250 rd PVO located beside Stubline, launched 1 missile against a target.



PS: You will have the opportunity to find the accurate historical positions of the Serbian SAM batteries on Google Earth...
... that NATO was unable to find during the war.

During these battles, 4 HARM missiles were fired and missed the 3/250 rd PVO...


Last edited by Hpasp; 08/03/12 05:04 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3617529 - 07/31/12 07:25 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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nice twoweeks

ps: mr.hpasp could u creat one PDF about how we can run from anti radiation missile in sam simulator??? dizzy

in tripoli scenario i realy tidid for swich up my antenna and transmiter zombie

#3617543 - 07/31/12 07:45 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
nice twoweeks

ps: mr.hpasp could u creat one PDF about how we can run from anti radiation missile in sam simulator??? dizzy

in tripoli scenario i realy tidid for swich up my antenna and transmiter zombie


Just remember the thumb rule of col. Zoltan Dani...
... 20s illumination means life, while the 21st second would mean death...
... just imagine yourself sitting in these seats, where HARM worked as advertised...
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Last edited by Hpasp; 07/31/12 07:53 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3617844 - 08/01/12 05:13 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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First question. Are you using the automatic Periodic Illumination or the manual RPC mode? If the former, I must strongly suspect it is realistic since PI actually illuminates rather frequently. To the enemy you probably look like a rotating search radar. It'll help but I suspect miracles should not be expected. I mean if it really works so well, there won't be a manual mode at all!

#3617906 - 08/01/12 07:57 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
nice twoweeks
ps: mr.hpasp could u creat one PDF about how we can run from anti radiation missile in sam simulator??? dizzy
in tripoli scenario i realy tidid for swich up my antenna and transmiter zombie


use invincible mode! biggrin

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