#3607801 - 07/16/12 10:03 AM
p51 take off
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petethehatch
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ok i got the p51,thought this be a easy one to fly but no.i watch the training on take off and that even turns right on the grass flips and blow up. is that a fault. i need help on this,as i go downrunway the plain just want to turn on me,i use rudder no such luck where am i going wrong,
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#3607808 - 07/16/12 10:31 AM
Re: p51 take off
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sharpe26
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Try the following:
1: don't slam the power forward, increase it gently. 2: lock your tailwheel by holding your stick aft of neutral (aka hold back the stick a little) 3: keep your eye on the ball. On one of your instruments there should be a little black ball which indicates your sideslip. Keep that ball centered by tapping the rudder
I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.
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#3607810 - 07/16/12 10:44 AM
Re: p51 take off
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Howdy, Torque is not your friend... and the P51 has plenty of it. As per training, add a little right rudder trim before takeoff. The way I go is to gently apply power and maintain a little back pressure on the stick keeping the tail wheel locked until rudder bites in, then stick back to center, and the tail raise, all along I apply power progressively. Tiny rudder corrections along. Once the tail is up, the plane then lifts off more or less by itself if enough power. can't remember numbers right now but I never go full throttle, not necessary I think. Well, at least not with a light load. Slight aileron input to keep wings level, gentle climb, gear up and off you go until it's time to trim for level flight at cruising speed.
Cheers, Slug
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#3607893 - 07/16/12 02:53 PM
Re: p51 take off
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EinsteinEP
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Don't try to lift the tail until about 100 mph.
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#3608356 - 07/17/12 07:08 AM
Re: p51 take off
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petethehatch
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thanks guys keep the hints coming pete
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#3608688 - 07/17/12 07:45 PM
Re: p51 take off
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EinsteinEP
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I'm not 100% convinced the propwash is acting on the rudder as it should. Even at a complete stop, the propwash should give the rudder some control authority, especially when as throttle is applied. If this effect is modelled, it's much tinier than I expect.
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#3608852 - 07/17/12 10:57 PM
Re: p51 take off
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I don't know about the prop wash either, but this is one tricky bird to get in the air. If you think you can just slam the throttle and go like some other sims..you're wrong. I found out the hard way and before finding this thread. Thanks for the tips!
Logan, Head Tater peeler,OIC of nothing
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#3610220 - 07/20/12 05:30 AM
Re: p51 take off
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When you raise the tail on a tailwheel aircraft, the rotation of the prop causes a strong turning torque on the aircraft. This is usually counter-acted with opposite rudder. In this case, it seems like the rudder doesn't have enough control authority to stop the turning, hence the out-of-control skid.
Of course, with the prop creating that much torque, you'd think the propwash would give the rudder much more authority...
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#3623730 - 08/10/12 11:22 AM
Re: p51 take off
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petethehatch
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many thanks guys for your help im getting there now and i found a squad in multiplayer called shrek,great bunch of guys.if u like to check them out its www.shreksquadron.org.pete
Last edited by petethehatch; 08/10/12 11:24 AM.
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#3641985 - 09/10/12 10:29 PM
Re: p51 take off
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Try just 2.5 deg of trim. Seems trim is getting doubled at the moment.
Cheers Stuntie.
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#3642555 - 09/11/12 10:08 PM
Re: p51 take off
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Phew! Finally managing take-off and landing with a good chance of walking away rather than being carried away. (hey I only got it yesterday, so that ain't too shabby.)
Been practicing with the Take-off solo mission, doing a circuit and landing again. Though I will try a different field from batumi as having a bunch of trees at the other end when you come in to land is a bit of a pig. Not to mention the hills and powerlines that are in the way. Tend to skim the trees but still end up bouncing as I'm too high. But she stops quick, so will try floating further down rather than pushing for the threshold. Gave a bunch of passengers in a bus a good thrill through as I passed almost directly over them as I crossed the threshold - who thought putting a frecking bus lane right on the threshold was a good idea?
Cheers Stuntie.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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