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#3573385 - 05/15/12 07:31 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I found some porn for SAM-lovers on this forum:








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#3573390 - 05/15/12 07:40 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: MK_PL]  
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Originally Posted By: MK_PL
I found some porn for SAM-lovers on this forum:

Click to reveal..









AHHH, my GOD!!!

Most of these pictures are depicting the Dvina V-750V (11D) missile, instead of the Volhov V-755 (20D), or V-759 (5Ja23)!!!
(just check the nose...)
duh



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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3573393 - 05/15/12 07:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Doh! They are from a Czech publication. Let's get more internal:







#3573398 - 05/15/12 07:56 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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How to identify the conventional missiles of the SA-2 system...

SA-75M Dvina (SA-2B/F) "export version" SAM System
V-750V 11D (Guideline mod.1) missile

Long-double radio proximity fuse panels, elevator flaps at the tail wings.


S-75M Volhov (SA-2E) "WarPact version" SAM System
V-755 20D (Guideline mod.3) missile

Red (Bakelite) circular radio proximity fuse panels, clean tail wings, without any elevator flaps.



V-759 5Ja23 (Guideline mod.5) missile
Grey circular radio proximity fuse panels, clean tail wings, without any elevator flaps.


Please be serious at this forum!
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Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3573406 - 05/15/12 08:04 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Please be serious at this forum!
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You're the expert here, tell that to the Wings & Wheels Publications smile

#3573676 - 05/16/12 07:46 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Got an F-14 in Prairie Fire too :-)

Missiles are nicely visible on P-14 screen, and in the last phase of flight also in the spectrum display of 5N62V :-)
Also tried to get another F-14, but it turns away and I had not sufficient SNR to launch. If I knew there are two of them flying in a formation I would quickly reacquire the second one to get it with already flying missiles. But I did not know.... It is my next quest to get both of them down :-)

Click to reveal..
13:46 24th of March, 1986.
Operation Prairie Fire

S-200VE Vega-E


00:04:21, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 90km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 38,5dB


00:04:26, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 88km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 38,7dB


00:04:31, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 87km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 38,8dB


00:04:36, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 86km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39dB


00:04:50, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 82km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 205m/s (0,7 Mach)
Target altitude: 3,7km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39,4dB


00:04:54, Missile launched from launcher-6
Target distance: 81km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 1°
Target angular speed: 113m/s (0,4 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,7km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 39,4dB


00:05:35, Missile exploded
F-14B Tomcat killed by SAM. (miss distance: 1m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 50sec



3DAAR

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#3573682 - 05/16/12 08:08 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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In this scenario I have probably seen the TWS with 5N62V. When the formation of two F-14's turned away I saw two targets - two dots on the target detection screen. But I am not sure what was it - if it was the second F-14 or E-2 which had the same azimuth but much farther.
On the speed gate screen it looked like a fuzzy rectangle which moved away (so its velocity changed too much) and similar effect could be seen on the spectrum display - rectangular spectrum with low amplitude which moved away. I was in a FM mode, could it be for example a chaff cloud released by the turning F-14 to avoid incoming missiles?

In any case, the 5N62V had seen two targets in its beam while tracking was in progress.

#3573685 - 05/16/12 08:18 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Check page 255 from this topic... neaner

P.S. Congratulations for the kill!
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#3573687 - 05/16/12 08:22 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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excuse me dear mr.hp i dont wanna talk about new sam systems any more

but i have one question!!! in your sam simulator we have access to many kinde of type missiles

like sa-2 : we have 2 type missiles

sa-2 F : also we have acces to vm and vmu type of missile

but at s-200! we have one choice ... thats ve vega!!! i think u could indlude D model develope for s-200 for better hit target

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#3573691 - 05/16/12 08:29 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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piston79: thanks, then it is definitely the E-2 :-)

#3573692 - 05/16/12 08:34 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Congrat for the shot!

Beside the currently available 5V28E V-880E, the 5V28N V-880N missile is also planned for the Vega, in the future.
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3573710 - 05/16/12 10:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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dear hpasp u writed on sa-5 pdf s-200ve vega can maximum can derstroy target at 244 km supersonic / 255 km sobsonic

but i take a test!

i choos asuluk yatget b-1

i tracked target below 200 km but system not send enoghf DB signal!!! i am confused

if ve vega can destroy target at 244 km .. why sa-5 system can't send enoghf DB signal below 200km ... this is mmmmmm like joke

maybe i can't use corectly with this sam!
reading


after report

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Asuluk training ground.

Practice target:
RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer

S-200VE Vega-E


01:30, Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer launched

00:02:26, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 150km
Target azimuth: 71°
Target elevation: 5°
Target angular speed: 738m/s (2.6 Mach)
Target altitude: 14.8km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 15.4dB


00:02:36, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 142km
Target azimuth: 71°
Target elevation: 6°
Target angular speed: 886m/s (3.1 Mach)
Target altitude: 17km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 17dB


00:02:56, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 122km
Target azimuth: 72°
Target elevation: 8°
Target angular speed: 1061m/s (3.7 Mach)
Target altitude: 18.1km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target during flight
Received signal strength: 20.9dB


00:03:53, Missile exploded
Practice target RM-217 Zvezda [program-4] simulating B-1B Lancer killed by SAM. (miss distance: 15m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 4min 51sec




3DAAAAAR
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Last edited by milang; 05/16/12 01:08 PM.
#3573714 - 05/16/12 10:21 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Bastards!!!!!! :-) Notice number of missiles launched :-)

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13:46 24th of March, 1986.
Operation Prairie Fire

S-200VE Vega-E


00:03:39, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 101km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,3dB


00:03:45, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 100km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,5dB


00:03:50, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 98km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,6dB


00:04:00, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 95km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,9dB


00:04:13, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 93km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 1°
Target angular speed: 103m/s (0,3 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,6km
RPC mode: MHI-FM - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 26,2dB


00:05:01, Missile launched from launcher-6
Target distance: 102km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 1°
Target angular speed: -272m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 37,2dB


00:06:07, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 120km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 35,3dB


00:06:16, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 123km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 35,1dB


00:06:25, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 125km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,8dB


00:06:34, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 128km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -275m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,5dB


00:06:42, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 130km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -275m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,3dB


Total, SNR On Air Time: 5min 25sec


3DAAR

#3573715 - 05/16/12 10:24 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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milang: RSSI (and SNR) depends on RCS of the target. And RCS of B-1 is realy low :-) You have to shoot at something bigger (with larger RCS) at maximum distance....

#3573716 - 05/16/12 10:26 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Please, put that info (pictures and AAR) in spoiler text (the button which looks like dollar sign).

About your question, could you google the RCS (radar reflection) for B-1 and say B-52... The killing range depends from detection range too... biggrin

Quote:
milang: RSSI (and SNR) depends on RCS of the target. And RCS of B-1 is realy low :-) You have to shoot at something bigger (with larger RCS) at maximum distance.


O, I am late....

Last edited by piston79; 05/16/12 10:29 AM. Reason: Allien Mastermind has 40 fingers ;)
#3573719 - 05/16/12 10:43 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Bastards!!!!!! :-) Notice number of missiles launched :-)

Click to reveal..
13:46 24th of March, 1986.
Operation Prairie Fire

S-200VE Vega-E


00:03:39, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 101km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,3dB


00:03:45, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 100km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,5dB


00:03:50, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 98km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,6dB


00:04:00, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 95km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 2°
Target angular speed: 275m/s (0,9 Mach)
Target altitude: 4,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 37,9dB


00:04:13, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 93km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 1°
Target angular speed: 103m/s (0,3 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,6km
RPC mode: MHI-FM - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Acquire target before launch
Received signal strength: 26,2dB


00:05:01, Missile launched from launcher-6
Target distance: 102km
Target azimuth: 12°
Target elevation: 1°
Target angular speed: -272m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 37,2dB


00:06:07, Missile launched from launcher-1
Target distance: 120km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 35,3dB


00:06:16, Missile launched from launcher-2
Target distance: 123km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 35,1dB


00:06:25, Missile launched from launcher-3
Target distance: 125km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -274m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,8dB


00:06:34, Missile launched from launcher-4
Target distance: 128km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -275m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,5dB


00:06:42, Missile launched from launcher-5
Target distance: 130km
Target azimuth: 11°
Target elevation: 0°
Target angular speed: -275m/s (-1 Mach)
Target altitude: 2,5km
RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam
GSN mode: Vcr<0
Received signal strength: 34,3dB


Total, SNR On Air Time: 5min 25sec


3DAAR


o my god .... that is a murder dude!!! u fu**ed up that pooor f-14 biggrin that f-14 conversion to energy lawncareby20mm

Last edited by milang; 05/16/12 10:54 AM.
#3573724 - 05/16/12 10:53 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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dude... i have problem looks like u!!!

i launched more missile like u but no one exlopded!!!

mayhap mr.hp can help us

Last edited by milang; 05/16/12 11:45 AM.
#3573728 - 05/16/12 11:20 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
[quote=Alien_MasterMynd]Bastards!!!!!! :-) Notice number of missiles launched :-)
o my god .... that is a murder dude!!! u fu**ed up that pooor f-14 biggrin that f-14 conversion to energy lawncareby20mm

But no missile exploded :-(

#3573827 - 05/16/12 02:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The F-14's have good tactics :-)

#3573834 - 05/16/12 02:52 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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"As the tomcats crossed the 'line of death', all radar and electronic warfare operators in the battle force, intently watched their scopes for the first indication of missile launch. Suddenly the Libyans fired two Gammons at the Fighting Diamondbacks. The F-14's, which were warned of the activation of the Square Pair radar by the Hawkeyes, avoided the lumbering missiles by diving to the surface. While EA-6B Prowlers jammed the fire control radar, the SA-5s continued their long-range, high-altitude flight before crashing harmlessly into the sea."

page 132,
Joseph T. Stanik, El Dorado Canyon
Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, Maryland
http://www.amazon.com/El-Dorado-Canyon-Reagans-Undeclared/dp/1557509832

Best book on this topic!
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Last edited by Hpasp; 05/16/12 03:58 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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