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#3570490 - 05/10/12 02:03 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
mr.hp how understand this missile is dvina ??? i guess this is sa-2E not f dvina!

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Dear Milang,

You are quite a funny guy.
You ask a question, and when you receive the answer, you do not believe in it...
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Here is the easiest way to differentiate between Volhov (SA-2E) and Dvina (SA-2F) missiles...
... just check the Radio Proxy fuse.


(As the Soviet Union never exported SA-2 into Iran, my best guess is that this is a Chinese copy of the Dvina missile exported in 1958.)

Last edited by Hpasp; 05/10/12 02:30 PM.

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#3570589 - 05/10/12 05:10 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3570691 - 05/10/12 07:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Just mind the coordinates...
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Americans are very keen to learn about other countries' secrets. Their latest possession:
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I wonder where did they get it?

#3570699 - 05/10/12 07:52 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3570700 - 05/10/12 07:54 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Lonewolf357]  
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Originally Posted By: Lonewolf357
Originally Posted By: Hpasp


Just mind the coordinates...
neaner


Americans are very keen to learn about other countries' secrets. Their latest possession:
Click to reveal..


I wonder where did they get it?




dear lonewolf...

if u have a big cash ! u can buy evry thing at black market and connection with black market in evry country!!!

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#3571011 - 05/11/12 11:55 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Well, he could do the sa-1 or the Nike, but he doesn't have time from my understanding. Anywat.

I'm thinking about learning the sa-5 over the weekend. Any suggestions?

#3571020 - 05/11/12 12:18 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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It is easy, just play with it :-)

Go through the manual and shortly after you will get it into your hands. Then try for example Tallin scenario with SR-71. you will have time before SR-71 gets into destruction zone, so you can acquire it easily. There is no HARM's so you can enable SNR as soon as you wish.

#3571023 - 05/11/12 12:22 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I found out that in the first day of Prairie fire one F-14 (possibly) gets closer than 75km. So I will try to hunt it down. If I shoot at 100km range, it is a no go.

#3571040 - 05/11/12 12:55 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
Well, he could do the sa-1 or the Nike, but he doesn't have time from my understanding. Anywat.

I'm thinking about learning the sa-5 over the weekend. Any suggestions?


okey cooldog.. if u learn please help me to tracking target and fire to them over 200 km !!!

i can hit target about 150 km but when im lock at one target at more than 200 kilometers mayhap 230 kilometers

i have about 25 mayhap until 30 db but my GSN antenna dont sho any fireing signal sicko

why?

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#3571073 - 05/11/12 01:35 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Does not have the target so low RCS that RSSI is so small? :-)

#3571088 - 05/11/12 01:52 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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nop!!!! i try hunt one kc-130 at another senario from sa-5 senario ..... from 230 kilometers ... i lock on target and send me 25 db but my GNS seeker anthena dont shw my signal for fire help

#3571095 - 05/11/12 02:07 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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It is too far, maybe you can try acquisition V POLETE (not with Vr<=0!!!). But it is far (missile range).

#3571113 - 05/11/12 02:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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i read info about s-200 vega!!! at mr.hp pdf writed s-200 vega maximum range for sub sonic target 255km and super sonic 240 km!!!

i use normal method guidance...... but i dont know why Gsn dont show any signal from between 6 ready launcher!!!

.......

and about hunt f-14 in first senario of liby... yeah i can shot to first f-14 but i have problem with tracking twice f-14!!!

i use evry tecknic from tracking but not enoughf!!! i dont understand where is my levels tracking is wrong

#3571118 - 05/11/12 02:50 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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First, you can only track one target at one time with S-200. This is not S-400.

Second, By the time your missiles reach the refueler, it will likely have already gone beyond the 255km mark if it's receding.

#3571128 - 05/11/12 03:15 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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i know this system is s-200! i mean when after hit first f-14 .. i cant track twice f-14 ... i dont know why!!!

tracking frist f-14 is so fast for me... but twice f-14 never come to tracking and aqution panel for me mycomputer


.......

o my gooshh... this is like suffering for us .. we living at 2012 and we have to use system from 45 years ago ! grrr

#3571162 - 05/11/12 04:29 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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mr.hp ...

when i use from sa-3 goa missile

i see 2 type

first is v-601p 5v27 U

and v-601pd 5v27 D

i read sa-3 pdf but u not intreduce v-601pd 5v27D.... what different betweeen this two missiles??


and twice subject

could u have plan for creat a type of s-125 neva system... i think thats name is M-1 Volna u know this is naval sam system

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#3571177 - 05/11/12 04:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Possibly does not have a high enough, I don't know, response ping strength for the Doppler to track it, I don't know I'm just planning on reading the manual tomorrow. Could also be the curvature of the earth, from a quick glance at the manual, but if you can aqurie then that means that the missile is either:

1) out of range for the type of target

-or-

2) does not have a high enough signal strength for the missile's guidance system to track the target after launch. Keep in mind, in the sa-5 the missile has it's own transmitter receiver, right?

Again, I know next to nothing about this system yet, you are asking the wrong guy. But given two days you might be asking the right man for the job!

No harm scenario would be nice to try out first, thanks. No ashuluk for this one??

Isn't the neva also in the simulator all ready? Or are you talking about something else. Maybe a naval mounted neva? I highly doubt hpasp could do that. You would have to take into effect that the SNR is moving and all sorts of stuff. Would be a real challenge.

Also, what is wrong with old systems? nope

#3571201 - 05/11/12 05:41 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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#3571252 - 05/11/12 07:34 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Signal strenght for highspeed target (radial speed) - 25dB
When target radial speed is less than 100 m/s GSN of the missile cannot track it before launch, so to achieve a descent radial speed, missile should be in flight to be able to aquire the target (ussually on 6 or 12 seconds after launch), but necessary signal strenght is 39dB. yep

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#3571253 - 05/11/12 07:38 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
Signal strenght for target with highspeed target - 25dB
When target radial speed is less than 100 m/s GSN of the missile cannot track it before launch, so to achieve a descent radial speed, missile should be in flight to be able to aquire the target (ussually on 6 or 12 seconds after launch), but necessary signal strenght is 39dB. yep


yes piston.. i agree thumbsup

so whats up man? salute

what hot news about sam systems??? no new plan on the table? goodnight

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