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#3569869 - 05/09/12 11:16 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3569875 - 05/09/12 11:46 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Hi, Hpasp, many thanks for info, my dream is to get to operating S-200 system, but I think it is impossible :-)
And what is the display mode selector switch left to the GSN/KRO display (the one with descriptions of z beta/z and so).


That display can be used as an Oscilloscope, doing internal measurements, during system check.
You can set what to measure with this selector.
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#3569880 - 05/09/12 11:58 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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Originally Posted By: milang
looock at this picture !! dear pistoon79

i shot 2 missiles with sa-2E to asuluk training f104 !!!! looock az movment line missile!!! there is no Maneuvering in this picture

just directly moving to hit.... i see when real sa-2 fired... i think some where in sa-2e not simulating very corectly no one of sa-2 missile goes in directly line


Click to reveal..



Guess, that you looked it at the wrong angle/distance...
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Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
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#3569881 - 05/09/12 12:07 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3569887 - 05/09/12 12:34 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Speaking of new systems - It looks like the SA-6 "Kub" system is nearing the end of its life cycle, Russia only uses it as a training simulator anymore.
Is there any perspective of Hungary phasing their systems out in the coming years so they can be used for the simulator?

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#3569892 - 05/09/12 12:44 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks again Hpasp and if you don't mind, a few questions more :-)

W panel:
- two microamperemeters in the middle and associated switches? I suppose it has something to do with positioning of 5N62 in both axes.
- in the upper left two switches KONTROL K1V and K2V

A panel
- PEREDACA/PRIKEM switch
- BYSTRO/MEDLENNO switch
- ZAPROS VKL. light
- KONTR. OPOZN. button
- ZAPROS button
- OPOZNA... (TOCNO, GRUBO, IMIT.) switch

S panel
- BYBOR D...PAZON V switch (all these are for jamming targets?)
- +- + switch
- PU light
- VKL POISK V switch
- PEREZACHVAT V
- PU GRUBO

Z panel
switches and lights around ZACHVAT CELI GSN switch (not launch and prepare buttons)

X panel
- AVTOMAT VKL. and VYKL. buttons (IADS target selection?)
- 4' 8' N switch left to AVTOMAT
- 4' 8' switch right to AVTOMAT
- KONTR. RAZRESEN. switch and light

C panel
- row of switches and lights in the row in the middle of the screen (around PROLONG. light and VYKL. switch)
- the lowest row - UPR. R0, USTANOVKA NULJA, Vsr.(?) and the covered switch on the right with a description of VYKL. (under 55 button)

#3569896 - 05/09/12 12:48 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Architrav]  
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Originally Posted By: Architrav
Speaking of new systems - It looks like the SA-6 "Kub" system is nearing the end of its life cycle, Russia only uses it as a training simulator anymore.
Is there any perspective of Hungary phasing their systems out in the coming years so they can be used for the simulator?


yep


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569898 - 05/09/12 01:00 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Architrav]  
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Originally Posted By: Architrav
Speaking of new systems - It looks like the SA-6 "Kub" system is nearing the end of its life cycle, Russia only uses it as a training simulator anymore.
Is there any perspective of Hungary phasing their systems out in the coming years so they can be used for the simulator?


i remember dear architrav.... this your question ... looks like my question from mr.hp....

mr.hp said : this system is stiil in activate ....! know body knows when this sam system is done

#3569901 - 05/09/12 01:04 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Thanks again Hpasp and if you don't mind, a few questions more :-)

W panel:
- two microamperemeters in the middle and associated switches? I suppose it has something to do with positioning of 5N62 in both axes.
- in the upper left two switches KONTROL K1V and K2V

A panel
- PEREDACA/PRIKEM switch
- BYSTRO/MEDLENNO switch
- ZAPROS VKL. light
- KONTR. OPOZN. button
- ZAPROS button
- OPOZNA... (TOCNO, GRUBO, IMIT.) switch


The last 4 is the IFF control.

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

S panel
- BYBOR D...PAZON V switch (all these are for jamming targets?)
- +- + switch
- PU light
- VKL POISK V switch
- PEREZACHVAT V
- PU GRUBO


The RPC is capable of a limited TWS function.
(nice achievement from a CW radar)
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Not simulated yet, but possible option for the future.
(I cannot see the scenario, when this would be useful)

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

Z panel
switches and lights around ZACHVAT CELI GSN switch (not launch and prepare buttons)



jawdrop
All these lights are working, and should be used!
Which one did you forgot comrade?

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd


X panel
- AVTOMAT VKL. and VYKL. buttons (IADS target selection?)
- 4' 8' N switch left to AVTOMAT
- 4' 8' switch right to AVTOMAT


jawdrop
All these switches are working, and should be used!
Which one did you forgot comrade?

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

C panel
- row of switches and lights in the row in the middle of the screen (around PROLONG. light and VYKL. switch)
- the lowest row - UPR. R0, USTANOVKA NULJA, Vsr.(?) and covered switch on the right with a description of VYKL. (under 55 button)


jawdrop
Most of these switches are working, and should be used!
Which one did you forgot comrade?

Ufff...
dizzy

... please ask switches and lights one-by-one to be able to answer in details.
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Last edited by Hpasp; 05/09/12 01:12 PM.

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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569904 - 05/09/12 01:15 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks, but:
W panel? two first switches of A panel?

How the TWS works with 5N62? I graduated at university from electrical measurement, so I will understand it :-)

Z panel: I mean switches OTHER than ZACHVAT CELI GSN, launch buttons and prepare buttons, they seem not to work.

X: panel these do not work from me, they have no effect. Maybe it is caused by absence of IADS? Should I try an IADS enabled scenario?

C: panel, again the switches OTHER than PROLONG. light nad VYKL. button. They do not react.
The same applies for USTANOVKA NULJA, Vs.r. and the covered button. I found the UPR R0 switches to normal state instead of nonius.

#3569906 - 05/09/12 01:16 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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The tent of Qaddafi is being targeted soon...


... including his air transport capability.


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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569907 - 05/09/12 01:20 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Thanks, but:
W panel? two first switches of A panel?

How the TWS works with 5N62? I graduated at university from electrical measurement, so I will understand it :-)


There is no point to try to describe it here, as it is not simulated...
... without pictures, I would not able to describe it.


Hpasp
Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569908 - 05/09/12 01:23 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Thanks, but:
Z panel: I mean switches OTHER than ZACHVAT CELI GSN, launch buttons and prepare buttons, they seem not to work.

X: panel these do not work from me, they have no effect. Maybe it is caused by absence of IADS? Should I try an IADS enabled scenario?

C: panel, again the switches OTHER than PROLONG. light nad VYKL. button. They do not react.
The same applies for USTANOVKA NULJA, Vs.r. and the covered button. I found the UPR R0 switches to normal state instead of nonius.


Please be specific.

One switch per question.
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Free SAM Simulator, "Realistic to the Switch"

(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569910 - 05/09/12 01:25 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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OK: namely :-)
W panel:
- two microamperemeters in the middle and associated switches? I suppose it has something to do with positioning of 5N62 in both axes.
- in the upper left two switches KONTROL K1V and K2V

A panel:
- PEREDACA/PRIKEM switch
- BYSTRO/MEDLENNO switch

Z panel:
unnamed switch right to launch button
KONTR. TEST. light
KONTR. LIN. SVJAZI(?)
C U light
CBM PO CU light
OSOB CEL light
SNIZENIE light
D. ZONA light
KONTR. CBM button
OBKULENIE button
PITANIE PU VKL. light
CBM NEISPRAVNA light

X panel:
KONTR. RAZRESEN light and switch under it
MARKER button

C panel:
DOGON switch (+D -D) (receding target?)
RABOTA PO GR. C light and VYKL. switch under it
VNES CU (?) green rectangular light
MD and CU buttons right to range wheel
CU MD RV buttons left to PROLONG. and VYKL. button
covered switch VKL./VYKL. under 55 button
Vsr button in the lower right corner

#3569911 - 05/09/12 01:27 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
Thanks, but:
W panel? two first switches of A panel?

How the TWS works with 5N62? I graduated at university from electrical measurement, so I will understand it :-)


There is no point to try to describe it here, as it is not simulated...
... without pictures, I would not able to describe it.


If you could draw it on the paper, take picture of it and upload I would appreciate it much. S-200 is my favorite system :-)

#3569919 - 05/09/12 01:43 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Alien_MasterMynd]  
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd
OK: namely :-)

Z panel:
unnamed switch right to launch button
KONTR. TEST. light
KONTR. LIN. SVJAZI(?)

Used for test.
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

C U light

IADS target acquisition is ongoing.
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

CBM PO CU light

Range is tracked using IADS information.
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd


SNIZENIE light

Target is descending.
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

D. ZONA light

Manual page 44
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

KONTR. CBM button

Reset button
yep
Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

PITANIE PU VKL. light


Just translate it.
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

CBM NEISPRAVNA light

Just translate it.
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Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

C panel:
DOGON switch (+D -D) (receding target?)


No. Kind of velocity manual tracking.

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

RABOTA PO GR. C light and VYKL. switch under it


Used against special targets.

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

VNES CU (?) green rectangular light


IADS target info is being received.

Originally Posted By: Alien_MasterMynd

MD and CU buttons right to range wheel
CU MD RV buttons left to PROLONG. and VYKL. button


PLEASE READ THE MANUAL!!!


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http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3569920 - 05/09/12 01:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thanks :-)

#3569925 - 05/09/12 02:12 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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mr.hp ... i think your simulator have a lttile bug ... but excuse me for my bad idea! now i belive you power

your are the best in sam designer wourld !!! i leran very very subjject of your simulator and your pdf..

very proffessional ....

but on thing now is missed for me .. and big one question in my minde withot solution....

when u intreduce nike hercules i think this sam system is very badly work and so older... but now.. i think this at the cold war is number one!!! i read about this sam system... this sam is very amazing

but u say far future plan!!!! this is my question... could u tell to us when u going for develop this sam system?

i mean could u possible release date of nike hercules mm14c? i realy waiting for and counter and counter number evry day to see this sam system on your simulator.


best regard

milang

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#3569934 - 05/09/12 02:37 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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He said that he really wouldn't be able to work on it for about 189 days (one half of a ear) because he has to study for a big exam. He does have a lot of documentation for the Nike so he wouldn't need to collect much more of that. However, he would need the photos and he would need to actually code it into the sim. So it could be about a full year before it is all done.

Try shooting down the sr-71, that will take you at least a ear to figure out how to smile

#3569974 - 05/09/12 03:46 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
He said that he really wouldn't be able to work on it for about 189 days (one half of a ear) because he has to study for a big exam. He does have a lot of documentation for the Nike so he wouldn't need to collect much more of that. However, he would need the photos and he would need to actually code it into the sim. So it could be about a full year before it is all done.

Try shooting down the sr-71, that will take you at least a ear to figure out how to smile


yes but i wating for next version of sa-5 !!! i want see more senario ... this version included more senario when released????

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