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#3566875 - 05/03/12 07:16 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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During the morning (9:20), 15th of April, HABU codenamed "Tromp-30" first buzzed Benghazi (from North to South), than made an evasive turn to avoid the destruction zone of the S-200VE located at Sirte, and buzzed Tripoli (East to West) at h=75'000ft, achieving Mach 3.15.

Three Volhov missiles were launched from the 4th battery of the 1st SAM Brigade.
All missed...



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#3566889 - 05/03/12 07:41 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3566896 - 05/03/12 07:56 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3566897 - 05/03/12 07:56 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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#3566914 - 05/03/12 08:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Wow, nice site, it has so much detail in it, where exactly is the information that has to deal with operating the system?

#3566928 - 05/03/12 08:57 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: jazjar]  
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Wow, nice site, it has so much detail in it, where exactly is the information that has to deal with operating the system?


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#3566935 - 05/03/12 09:21 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Originally Posted By: Hpasp
During the morning (9:20), 15th of April, HABU codenamed "Tromp-30" first buzzed Benghazi (from North to South), than made an evasive turn to avoid the destruction zone of the S-200VE located at Sirte, and buzzed Tripoli (East to West) at h=75'000ft, achieving Mach 3.15.

Three Volhov missiles were launched from the 4th battery of the 1st SAM Brigade.
All missed...


Here, destruction zone of S-75M;-M2;-M3 in T/T mode... Clearly no chance against jamming SR-71 in T/T (probably I-87TT, too) modes:
Click to reveal..


The whole document - here:
срв&#1...p;#1052;3..djvu

page 129-130:
"Rabota ot VM" + "TT-I87" - can be switched and have efect after missile launch screwy

page 181:
">18 km" mode - as I understand, on M3 variant it should be switching itself automaticly, if the switch is off, depending of the target's altitude, 10 sec. before impact. When ON - only narrow guidance is used... ALSO confirmation that M2 and M3 variants CAN launch diferent types of missiles in one salvo (V-755 must be first due to it's higher speed)!!!

page 184:
APP-75 could be fine tuned, depending of the missile type (not simulated, but still good to know).

page 186:
Description of the algorytm of "SL-I", "SL-2" switch, it is different for 5Ya23 against older types....

#3567040 - 05/04/12 01:43 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Thank you! Why I am I so stupid!

#3567105 - 05/04/12 07:23 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79


page 129-130:
"Rabota ot VM" + "TT-I87" - can be switched and have efect after missile launch screwy


confused

Before the launch, the launcher is telling the missile (over the OS-10 plug), what to do during flight in case you receive K3 command.

When you set "Rabota ot VM", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after launch, and does not take care about K3 at all.
(this was originally developed for the case, when the enemy is continuously emitting K3 signals as jamming)

When you set "TT-I87", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after K3 received.
(difference to the normal settings is the distance from the range boresight, when the K3 is emitted)

Originally Posted By: piston79

page 181:
">18 km" mode - as I understand, on M3 variant it should be switching itself automaticly, if the switch is off, depending of the target's altitude, 10 sec. before impact. When ON - only narrow guidance is used... ALSO confirmation that M2 and M3 variants CAN launch diferent types of missiles in one salvo (V-755 must be first due to it's higher speed)!!!


This is why it is not simulated.
(The base of the sim is a S-75M3-OP Volhov, just missing the SDC per plane upgrade)
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Originally Posted By: piston79

page 184:
APP-75 could be fine tuned, depending of the missile type (not simulated, but still good to know).


hahaha
Might be, but in Hungary, the APP always showed the 20DSU parameters, and FCO's had to learn, to reduce the further destruction zone in case of V-759 used.
(SAM batteries west of the Danube)

I know, that the Czech Air Defense used mixed V-755/-759 with the same SAM unit, but I do not know, how they differentiated between missile types.
(first salvo V-759, second salvo V-755???)

Originally Posted By: piston79
page 186:
Description of the algorytm of "SL-I", "SL-2" switch, it is different for 5Ya23 against older types....


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Last edited by Hpasp; 05/04/12 07:51 AM.

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(U-2 over Sverdlovsk, B-52's over Hanoi, F-4 Phantoms over the Sinai, F-16's and the F-117A Stealth bomber over the Balkans.)
http://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Book from the author - Soviet Nuclear Weapons in Hungary 1961-1991
https://sites.google.com/view/nuclear-weapons-in-hungary/

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#3567109 - 05/04/12 07:57 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Quote:
Before the launch, the launcher is telling the missile (over the OS-10 plug), what to do during flight in case you receive K3 command.
When you set "Rabota ot VM", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after launch, and does not take care about K3 at all.
(this was originally developed for the case, when the enemy is continuously emitting K3 signals as jamming)
When you set "TT-I87", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after K3 received.
(difference to the normal settings is the distance from the range boresight, when the K3 is emitted)


I will try to translate what was written about later, if you are interested, but what I understand is that switchig "Rab ot VM" in "TT-i87" before or after 22 second of missile flight, activated diferent antena pairs of radiofuse (due to missing data for missile-target approach speed)... (I was just going to ask should we see a speed on the round instrument on "Q" screen in T/TI-87 mode, and this thing poped-up...)
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#3567130 - 05/04/12 10:29 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
My best hit on the U2 is 2m miss distance.

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#3567166 - 05/04/12 12:12 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3567323 - 05/04/12 04:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Quote:
SAM soviet onion
- damn, you made my day, hahahhahaaa!!! hahaha
Soviet onion - it's secret name is "soldier's lemon", beautiful russian joke... wink

As per article, please try with google translator or something, I don't understand a word...

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#3567338 - 05/04/12 05:04 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: farokh]  
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#3567354 - 05/04/12 05:36 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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#3567361 - 05/04/12 06:00 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Quote:
Before the launch, the launcher is telling the missile (over the OS-10 plug), what to do during flight in case you receive K3 command.
When you set "Rabota ot VM", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after launch, and does not take care about K3 at all.
(this was originally developed for the case, when the enemy is continuously emitting K3 signals as jamming)
When you set "TT-I87", the missile will arm its radio proxy fuse after K3 received.
(difference to the normal settings is the distance from the range boresight, when the K3 is emitted)


For 5E11:
"In absense of data about the approaching speed of the missile to the target, with guidance method "TT-I87", the mode of the radiofuse is "RV ot VM". In this case, if "RV ot VM" mode was activated till 22 second of the missile flight, K4 command is ordered, corresponding with approaching speed 1070 m/s and it results in following commutation - second pair of antenas, frontal initiation of the warhead.
If "Rab ot VM" is switched on after 22 seconds after launch - no command K4 and the configuration is - first pair of antenas, frontal initiation of the warhead."

For 5X49:
Angle of the Maximum of the diagram of the radiofuse antenas was regulated smoothly, based on the data of the approaching speed miisile-target:

(where V otn is target-missile approaching speed). In "TT-I87" guidance mode (Info for V otn. is missing) Radio fuse is working it "RV ot VM" mode. If this mode is activated till 22 second of missile flight, K4 is ordered, corresponding with 1070 m/s (V otn), and angle of the antenas is 70 degrees, if "RV ot VM"
was activated later than 22 seconds - no K4 and and angle of antenas - 52.5 degrees...

P.S. I've colored "RV ot VM", because it is different than "Rabota ot VM" as it is on the pannel. Maybe this is different version or another switch??? I realized this till writing this - as it apperars - long and useless post. sigh



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#3567557 - 05/05/12 12:11 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Could you post the original article in its native language in spoiler tags?

Or a link to the original?

#3567665 - 05/05/12 07:24 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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"Vega" switching targets over Ashuluk.

#3567672 - 05/05/12 08:26 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: piston79]  
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Originally Posted By: piston79
"Vega" switching targets over Ashuluk.



Interesting to see, that Plamya elected two types of guidance method for the two target, differently.


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