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#3566204 - 05/02/12 06:23 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: oldpop]  
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Originally Posted By: oldpop
FA18????


This is a 3rd party module, which means that ED has nothing to do with its development.

#3566236 - 05/02/12 07:13 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I think this bodes well for future 3rd party development. If DCS:Worlds takes-off it could mean a whole variety of aircraft and possibly new terrains. Looking forward to the Mig-21 and any future products!!!

#3566258 - 05/02/12 07:44 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Originally Posted By: HogDriver
It would be fun to chase A-10s in a MiG-21.
But then it wouldn't be fun for the Hog drivers. That plane can't even outrun a bird, let alone a gunslinger in a MiG-21. That's why, somebody please give us a Phantom!
Btw, it's interesting that DCS is open for 3rd party devs. Could it be that in the near future we'll see many quality freeware addons like MS FS?


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#3566350 - 05/02/12 09:59 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: VBA_Rhino]  
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The third party MiG-21 should be excellent. Beczl had that model in Flaming Cliffs 2 for a while (as well as other excellent models such as a SCUD launcher). With official DCS support he should be make a first class product.


The Aerial War in Vietnam.
There is some discussion about which aircraft did what in Vietnam. Note also that even the F-105s cut up the MiGs (although MiG-17s, not 21s) a fair bit. After the initial MiG scares (which everyone harps on about, to the exclusion of later results) the MiG performance was actually not that good (once the USAF and USN changed their pilot training policies).

Here are some links to the actual kill records, for those that are interested in such things:

The US Air-to-Air victories in Vietnam. The same database holds the Vietnamese claims as well (nb. notice how the Vietnamese Air Force has very little activity in 1969 and 1970 - both the NVAF and Vietcong were on the ropes at that time).
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

Wikipedia also has an article, including operational (non-combat) losses. Most US losses were to ground fire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

Wikipedia article for F-4 has kills by weapon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4

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#3566401 - 05/02/12 11:29 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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This thing is just taking off and running, isn't it?


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#3566410 - 05/02/12 11:49 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Win! And it's one of my two favorite -21s!

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#3566437 - 05/03/12 01:05 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: 104th_Moa]  
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Originally Posted By: 104th_Moa
The third party MiG-21 should be excellent. Beczl had that model in Flaming Cliffs 2 for a while (as well as other excellent models such as a SCUD launcher). With official DCS support he should be make a first class product.


The Aerial War in Vietnam.
There is some discussion about which aircraft did what in Vietnam. Note also that even the F-105s cut up the MiGs (although MiG-17s, not 21s) a fair bit. After the initial MiG scares (which everyone harps on about, to the exclusion of later results) the MiG performance was actually not that good (once the USAF and USN changed their pilot training policies).

Here are some links to the actual kill records, for those that are interested in such things:

The US Air-to-Air victories in Vietnam. The same database holds the Vietnamese claims as well (nb. notice how the Vietnamese Air Force has very little activity in 1969 and 1970 - both the NVAF and Vietcong were on the ropes at that time).
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

Wikipedia also has an article, including operational (non-combat) losses. Most US losses were to ground fire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War

Wikipedia article for F-4 has kills by weapon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-4


I think you should have a read of this: CLASHES
http://www.amazon.com/Clashes-Combat-Nor...6957&sr=8-1

and then this Red Eagles:

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Eagles-America...7068&sr=1-1

and see if your opinion of the MIG-21 changes. In Red Eagles the pilots seemed to really like flying it against all sorts of modern stuff.


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#3566489 - 05/03/12 03:01 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Terrific. Really terrific. And so it begins. I'm hoping , very, very much, that theres an F-4 Phantom coming together. Everything that I can cross, is being crossed.


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#3566747 - 05/03/12 04:10 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I guess now we find out if opening DCS to third parties was worth it. I have doubts that the quality will be the same.

#3566918 - 05/03/12 08:41 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Why? Ask that to Beczl. He said that ED would not have given him the license had he not proven that he could make something to match their standards. If simmers in a small niche market expect to have new games for themselves, then they should be willing to do some work themselves.

#3566981 - 05/03/12 11:02 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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To do the F-4 right would call for a voice from the back seat. Just a voice, like we had in Jane's F-15 that used to tell us "Bandit at three o'clock," or "fence check!" or "ten seconds to target!"

Miao, Cat


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#3567015 - 05/04/12 12:40 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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#3567092 - 05/04/12 05:10 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: Cat]  
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Originally Posted By: Cat
To do the F-4 right would call for a voice from the back seat. Just a voice, like we had in Jane's F-15 that used to tell us "Bandit at three o'clock," or "fence check!" or "ten seconds to target!"

Miao, Cat


I'm thinking full on RIO. For me who cannot remember all the buttons for the radar it sure would be nice with an AI (or human) locking up the baddies. Maybe the guy could take the wheel on those long return flights too.

I hope this excellent dcs world idea works out and that some of those talented modders really join forces and pull together towards a common goal. I'm sure getting the Mig21 and I hope a new combat theatre will follow, be it asia, mid east or northern europe.

-C-

#3567171 - 05/04/12 12:26 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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MiG-21 = my all time favourite. totally stoked to see it in there!


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#3586409 - 06/05/12 09:19 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Radar Video Test 1 by Beczl



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DCS:MiG-21Bis Radar Test No.1. - IFF and compensation channel + fixed radar beam test. *** The current cockpit color, instruments, etc doesn't represent the final product capabilities ***


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#3586786 - 06/05/12 11:37 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Worthy.


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#3586787 - 06/05/12 11:40 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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#3586803 - 06/06/12 12:04 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: QuickSilver]  
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Originally Posted By: QuickSilver
I guess now we find out if opening DCS to third parties was worth it. I have doubts that the quality will be the same.

I think the plan is that 3rd party developers can make other aircraft but they'd be of various quality.. most probably LockOn fidelity. However some very special aircraft will get the official DCS tag and those ones will be up to DCS standards e.g. the 21 and now IRIS F-15E.

It's all good not matter how you look at it. More aircraft flying in DCS world is better than just playing with one.

#3595644 - 06/22/12 09:12 AM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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Video Test Nº1 and Nº2 Cockpit Lights

http://youtu.be/1nJBWAihnMk

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DCS:MiG-21Bis Light Test No.1 - Cockpit main light, panel text light emission and visibility test. *** The current cockpit color, instruments, etc doesn't represent the final product capabilities ***


http://youtu.be/ZVh599DLYcQ

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DCS:MiG-21Bis Light Test No.2 - Cockpit main light, panel text light, instrument lights, warning lights, secondary white light emission and visibility test. *** The current cockpit color, instruments, etc doesn't represent the final product capabilities. In the game the colors and lights are looks better than in this video.***


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#3595995 - 06/22/12 11:26 PM Re: DCS: MiG-21Bis Fishbed [Re: GrayGhost]  
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I like the red lights.


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