#3565932 - 05/02/12 08:53 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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That SR-71 thing is REALLY FAST :-), I've tried maximum shooting distance. AAR: 1967. SR-71 Operation Tallin.
S-200VE Vega-E
00:10:39, Missile launched from launcher-1 Target distance: 191km Target azimuth: 51° Target elevation: 6° Target angular speed: 900m/s (3,2 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Acquire target during flight Received signal strength: 20,2dB
00:10:44, Missile launched from launcher-2 Target distance: 186km Target azimuth: 51° Target elevation: 6° Target angular speed: 899m/s (3,2 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Acquire target during flight Received signal strength: 20,9dB
00:11:39, Missile launched from launcher-5 Target distance: 137km Target azimuth: 54° Target elevation: 9° Target angular speed: 901m/s (3,2 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Acquire target before launch Received signal strength: 27,2dB
00:11:44, Missile launched from launcher-6 Target distance: 132km Target azimuth: 54° Target elevation: 9° Target angular speed: 900m/s (3,2 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Acquire target before launch Received signal strength: 27,8dB
00:12:42, Missile launched from launcher-3 Target distance: 81km Target azimuth: 53° Target elevation: 16° Target angular speed: 869m/s (3,1 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Vcr<0 Received signal strength: 34,4dB
00:12:44, Missile exploded SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 12m)
00:12:46, Missile exploded SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 21m)
00:12:47, Missile launched from launcher-4 Target distance: 77km Target azimuth: 53° Target elevation: 17° Target angular speed: 762m/s (2,7 Mach) Target altitude: 24km RPC mode: MHI - Narrow Beam GSN mode: Vcr<0 Received signal strength: 35dB
00:13:35, Missile exploded SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 4m)
00:13:39, Missile exploded SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 6m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 7min 48sec 3DAAR
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#3565955 - 05/02/12 10:20 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I forgot to introduce myself, as I mentioned before I come from the Czech Republic. I am very interested in military technology, especially aircraft and accompanied radar and weapon technology and SAM systems. I studied measurement and instrumentation technology at Czech technical university. My uncle when he was in active duty was a Lt. Col. at AFB Caslav (he took care of MiG's - 21, 23, 29 and L's - 29 and 39). Now there is my cousin and he takes care mainly of L-159's and I think he has also something to do with JA-39's. He gave me a preflight red tape (don't know its correct name, it is such a bright red ribbon with Remove before flight text) from AIM-9 which shot down a test target at training in Sweden :-) Here you can see Czech military parade from 2008. Military 2008It was the biggest (and I think the only one) after 1989 and at this time also the last. It is sad to see we have almost nothing :-( But what you can expect from a Slovak minister of defense who gave our only S-300 to Slovakia, from a strongly pacifistic former president and today's minister of defense who never was in duty (not even in the basic one). Mig-29's we changed in a ratio of about 1:1 to Polish helicopters. What else to say? I think there is no more to say.... Tank day in a military historical museum at Lesany in 2007 (note the Merkava tank, we were and I think we still are the only foreign country which has this tank except of Israel and personnel of the museum may not show interior to anyone). Tanks And a few more pictures from the museum itself (note especially "puskovaju ustanovku" :-) with a training 5V28 missile, and you will notice a few more :-)) There is also a Tu-143 unmanned reconnaisance aircraft. Military museum
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#3566048 - 05/02/12 01:35 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I'm trying to complete the two remaining EDC situations soon... 8 S-125M Neva (SA-3B) systems 4 S-75M Volhov (SA-2E) systems vs 24 F-111F "Aardvark" bomber attacking 3 targets at Tripoli (18 primary + 6 spares) 5 EF-111A "Raven" ECM (4 primary + 1 spare) 6 A-7E Corsair-II SEAD (VA-46 Clansmen, VA-72 Blue Hawks) 1 EA-6B Prowler ECM (VMAQ-2 Playboys) 1 EA-3B Skywarrior SIGINT (VQ-2 Sandeman) 4 F-14A Tomcat CAP (VF-33 Starfighters, VF-102 Diamondbacks) 2 E-2C Hawkeye AWACS (VAW-123 Screwtops) ... or ... 1 SR-71 (The only real world scenario, where Volhov was fired against the HABU)
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#3566290 - 05/02/12 08:21 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hpasp, Eagle Dynamic move to launch SDK with your near DCS:World, a core to DCS series. A future 3rd Party aircraft coming to the east, the DCS:Mig-21bis make by a Hungarian comrade. Other future addon has Combinet forces, simulate ground forces and vehicles. You can contact whit ED to a future DCS:¿Sa-3?. Georgian forces has equipped with them and simulate track one target and launch two missiles.
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#3566519 - 05/03/12 04:41 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Note that the apparent 'difference' in height is only to provide separation between the two flight paths to reduce confusion about what refers to each. Think of them 'side by side' with a small amount of "parameter" in an isometric projection, so on an inclined plane similar to that seen in the drawing of the 'site'. Those are two flights, one of the 15-th and one on the 16-th of April. The funniest part is that I CANNOT find the original whole document, from which I cut off that picture... ( Dumb arse - that's me!) Still, got this one - jamming areas from SR-71, as determent by russians and vietnamesses:
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#3566546 - 05/03/12 07:50 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Note that the apparent 'difference' in height is only to provide separation between the two flight paths to reduce confusion about what refers to each. Think of them 'side by side' with a small amount of "parameter" in an isometric projection, so on an inclined plane similar to that seen in the drawing of the 'site'. Those are two flights, one of the 15-th and one on the 16-th of April. The funniest part is that I CANNOT find the original whole document, from which I cut off that picture... ( Dumb arse - that's me!) Still, got this one - jamming areas from SR-71, as determent by russians and vietnamesses: here: http://narod.ru/disk/11803446001/%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F%2086.djvu.htmlThis is nice pic. Can you share the whole doc with me? I'm thinking of utilizing this jammer layout data in the sim...
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#3566550 - 05/03/12 08:39 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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hey ... guys ... did u test asuluk with sa-4 3m8m3??? this missile is very maneuverability than sa-2 missile's and sa-3 missile's
when im hit one EA 6 with sa-4 with the last type of 3m8 missile ... and drag my result to 3daaar... i seen a very very amazing view of 3m8M3 maneuverability than sa- 2 and sa 3 missiles!!!!
pleas try this to know what i talking about !!!!
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#3566676 - 05/03/12 02:15 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Got him (U-2) :-) 08:46 1st of May 1960 CIA Operation Grand Slam.
SA-75M Dvina
00:02:41, V-750VU 11DU Missile launched on Channel-1 Target distance: 32km Target azimuth: 216° Target elevation: 38° Target altitude: 20,2km SNR mode: 55km Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)
00:03:21, Missile exploded on Channel-1 U-2C Article-360 piloted by Francis Gary Powers killed by SAM. (miss distance: 30m)
Total, SNR On Air Time: 3min 39sec 3DAAR (click to download)
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#3566828 - 05/03/12 06:11 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Have someone already shot down something in a Prairie fire? :-) F-14 only - discussed some pages ago
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#3566846 - 05/03/12 06:43 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Hi, Dear Hpasp,thanks for the tip, I've lost some .djvu files due to PC failure, only .jpg survived (exported eatlier)... Here some for you! Check here: http://narod.ru/disk/25543658000/%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B1%2075-2.djvu.html and here also: Бое...amp;#1042;.djvu- page 95, 250 to 253 also... In fact, the whole document is PRICELESS.... piston are you sure about that?? Without seeing what the text says, (I don't have time to sit and figure out Cyrillic script and then work the dictionary - printed I can 'read' but I've always struggled with hand-writing)... the image shows the 'first target' acquired too late, with three possible missile paths - the "last" fired breaks up due to over-g to track (or is 'lost' from guidance and self-destructs - the other two have insufficient energy to both follow the changing lead as the target passes overhead, and to reach altitude fast enough and miss.
The second flight path seems to be a direct hit and kill ~ while this might be what they'd like to have happened on the 16th I remain less than entirely convinced... more likely is this is a demonstration that the missile would fly directly to the impact point (ie is capable) if fired from further out.
Of course, I'll take it all back if that isn't what is written, or there really was a seriously damaged/killed Habu on the second flight.
But to me it smacks of AAR and lessons learnt, rather than two AAR. Dear Lieste, The document said only that they maded 2 firings (no specification how many missiles they used) described like "unefective" due to "unsuficient level of crew training" and "bad timing in firing against the target". I am a bit confused too, but seems it's a lesson learned. The SR-71 symbol which is on 70+ km from the SNR is taged as "Neccesary distance to target in the moment of firing"; the other SR-71 symbol is tagged as "Achieved distance to target in the moment of firing".... Anyway, I believe they shoot too late....
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