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#3562606 - 04/25/12 05:40 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hm, what they did with those? Scrap them?

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#3562689 - 04/25/12 09:05 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Click to reveal.. ( Habu is down, repeat, habu is down)
13:45 19th of December, 1972.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number one.

S-75M3 Volkhov


00:01:40, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 106km
Target azimuth: 191
Target elevation: 12
Target altitude: 23.7km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 150km
Missile guidance method: I87V/TT (I87V Three Point)


00:01:47, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 100km
Target azimuth: 191
Target elevation: 13
Target altitude: 23.7km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: I87V/TT (I87V Three Point)


00:01:51, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 96km
Target azimuth: 191
Target elevation: 14
Target altitude: 23.7km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: I87V/TT (I87V Three Point)


00:02:51, Missile exploded on Channel-3
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 119m)

00:03:06, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 37km
Target azimuth: 192
Target elevation: 39
Target altitude: 23.7km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:11, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 35km
Target azimuth: 193
Target elevation: 40
Target altitude: 22.9km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:17, V-755 20DSU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 33km
Target azimuth: 193
Target elevation: 41
Target altitude: 22.3km
SNR mode: Wide Beam - 75km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


00:03:52, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 43m)

00:03:56, Missile exploded on Channel-3
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 27m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 1min 21sec



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I won at last.

#3562716 - 04/25/12 09:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Congrats! Some strange behaviour from missile-4, but anyway, nice shot!

#3562737 - 04/25/12 10:38 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Possibly due to the rapid (???) deceleration of the plane?

#3562883 - 04/26/12 05:50 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I won at last.


Nice shot...
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... but this was the easy part, lets repeat it with the Dvina.
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The fourth missile was launched with UPR guidance.
Could it be that the range boresight was locked on the target just after No4 missile was launched?

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#3562960 - 04/26/12 12:30 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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That is correct. Now off to the Dvina.

#3562964 - 04/26/12 12:45 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Tried Cairo without SDC and other goodies;
Click to reveal..

10:22am 30th of June 1970
First wave, performing reconnaissance of the Cairo air defense system.


Reconnaisance force:
4 RF-4 Orev
4 Mirage-IIICJ

SA-75M Dvina


00:01:30, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 26km
Target azimuth: 189
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 92m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:01:42, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 22km
Target azimuth: 178
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 184m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:01:53, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 170
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 184m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:02:00, Missile exploded on Channel-1
Mirage-IIICJ number 1 of flight-1 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 51m)

00:02:13, Missile exploded on Channel-2
Mirage-IIICJ number 3 of flight-1 hit by SAM. (miss distance: 207m)

00:02:23, Missile exploded on Channel-3
Mirage-IIICJ number 3 of flight-1 killed by SAM. (miss distance: 144m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 0sec
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note; couldnt get third kill/hit on this one


18:18pm 30th of June 1970
First attack wave, against Cairo air defense.


Targets:
3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
9th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade
11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
8 A-4E Ahit

SA-75M Dvina


00:08:27, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 25km
Target azimuth: 130
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 756m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:08:45, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 19km
Target azimuth: 129
Target elevation: 2
Target altitude: 726m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:08:55, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 63m)

00:08:58, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 128
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 400m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:09:11, Missile exploded on Channel-2

00:09:14, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 14km
Target azimuth: 127
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 331m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:09:19, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-4E Kurnass number 1 of flight-1 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 42m)

00:09:31, Missile exploded on Channel-1

00:09:32, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 10km
Target azimuth: 132
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 66m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:09:43, Missile exploded on Channel-2
F-4E Kurnass number 2 of flight-1 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 30m)

00:09:52, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 4km
Target azimuth: 104
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 107m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:12:11, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 25km
Target azimuth: 132
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 574m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:12:37, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-4E Kurnass number 4 of flight-3 attacking 9th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 32m)

00:14:33, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 25km
Target azimuth: 141
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 606m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:14:48, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 21km
Target azimuth: 142
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 606m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:15:01, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 4 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 33m)

00:15:03, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 16km
Target azimuth: 147
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 355m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:15:13, Missile exploded on Channel-3

00:15:23, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 3 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 73m)

00:15:23, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 11km
Target azimuth: 148
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 193m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:15:38, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 13m)

00:15:40, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 153
Target elevation: 1
Target altitude: 168m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:15:51, Missile exploded on Channel-3
A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade hit by SAM. (miss distance: 165m)
00:16:06, A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-4 attacking 11th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade bombed succesfully, knocking out the SNR.

Total, SNR On Air Time: 8min 14sec
Quote:
note: damn, couldnt lock evelation in time, and A-4 did hit SNR! frown otherwise 11th battery would live.




19:12pm 30th of June 1970
Second attack wave, against Cairo air defense.


Target:
10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
4 A-4E Ahit

SA-75M Dvina


00:09:05, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 2km
Target azimuth: 149
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 24m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:09:09, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 60m)

00:09:23, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 2km
Target azimuth: 148
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 24m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:09:26, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-2 attacking 10th Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 91m)

Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 10sec
Quote:
note: target distance 2km!!, is this a bug? btw, 10th battery lives smile


16:30pm 2nd of July 1970
Day-2, attack on the Cairo air defense system.


Targets:
3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade

Attacking Force:
8 F-4E Kurnass
4 A-4E Ahit

SA-75M Dvina


00:05:24, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 24km
Target azimuth: 346
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 12m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:05:48, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 18km
Target azimuth: 356
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 12m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:05:52, Missile exploded on Channel-1
A-4E Ahit number 2 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 77m)

00:06:13, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 15km
Target azimuth: 14
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 14m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:06:13, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 1 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 75m)

00:06:33, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 13km
Target azimuth: 28
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 25m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:06:35, Missile exploded on Channel-3
F-4E Kurnass number 2 of flight-2 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 3m)

00:06:50, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 10km
Target azimuth: 14
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 26m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:06:50, Missile exploded on Channel-1
F-4E Kurnass number 1 of flight-2 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 58m)

00:07:02, V-750VKU 11DKU Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 8km
Target azimuth: 1
Target elevation: 0
Target altitude: 26m
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: T/T (Three Point)


00:07:05, Missile exploded on Channel-2
A-4E Ahit number 3 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade killed by SAM. (miss distance: 54m)
00:07:11, A-4E Ahit number 4 of flight-3 attacking 3rd Battery of the 5th Air Defense Missile Brigade bombed succesfully, knocking out the SNR.

Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 59sec
Quote:
note: there are just too many of them, after last missile; scramble out of SNR and RUN! biggrin



Quote:
campaing results;
IRL; 2x F-4E
simulated; 2x Mirage III, 10x A-4E, 5x F-4E, 17 aircraft total!
Discuss!
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#3562984 - 04/26/12 01:16 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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My SR-71 Dvina shot. KILLED him!
Click to reveal..
13:45 19th of December, 1972.
SR-71 bomb damage assessment flight number one.

SA-75M Dvina


00:02:27, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 76km
Target azimuth: 181
Target elevation: 18
Target altitude: 24.1km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:02:34, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-2
Target distance: 76km
Target azimuth: 180
Target elevation: 19
Target altitude: 26km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:02:40, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-3
Target distance: 76km
Target azimuth: 180
Target elevation: 21
Target altitude: 28.1km
SNR mode: 110km
Missile guidance method: K (Half Lead Elevated By Constans)


00:03:21, Missile exploded on Channel-2
SR-71 Habu killed by SAM. (miss distance: 76m)

00:03:36, V-750VMVK 11DMVK Missile launched on Channel-1
Target distance: 26km
Target azimuth: 189
Target elevation: 63
Target altitude: 23.3km
SNR mode: 55km
Missile guidance method: UPR (Half Lead)


Total, SNR On Air Time: 2min 32sec



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#3563072 - 04/26/12 04:43 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: montieris]  
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Originally Posted By: montieris
Tried Cairo without SDC and other goodies


Well done! Seems last two missions 3DAAR don't appears very much on my googleearth (probably because of 10 metters bug.... It's a real chalenge to quickly switch to the next target, and score hits... Some targets passing with a huge parameter and are really chalenging...

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My SR-71 Dvina shot. KILLED him!


OUTSTANDING SHOT!

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#3563082 - 04/26/12 05:02 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Actually, I saw your video on youtube and that helped me out a lot. Many thanks!

#3563105 - 04/26/12 05:33 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: CooLDoG]  
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Originally Posted By: CooLDoG
My SR-71 Dvina shot. KILLED him!

Congrats smile
So there are two methods - how to shoot down habu with dvina;
-as piston demonstrated "duck hunt type" biggrin
-range tracking by hand using table "height > evelation > range"

Originally Posted By: piston79
Originally Posted By: montieris
Tried Cairo without SDC and other goodies

Well done! Seems last two missions 3DAAR don't appears very much on my googleearth (probably because of 10 metters bug.... It's a real chalenge to quickly switch to the next target, and score hits... Some targets passing with a huge parameter and are really chalenging...

Thanks!

For me hardest was to aquire next target in time, if i cant lock on(targets over clutter) i lose next missile > so i have to do it fast > but by jerking borescope too much incoming missile will oscilliate > so only gentle adjustments..
But anyway amazing experience
I love this sim
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#3563112 - 04/26/12 05:43 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Using the table is harder. I'm going to try a shot with one of those. Wonder if I should use K or Half lead...

#3563114 - 04/26/12 05:47 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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A bit annoying is switching between Z to check beta/elipson/range lock lamps and to A to lock on.
From this came idea; well.. flight simmers build cockpits to improve their "flying experience";

- what if we had option to assign buttons in SAMSIM to custom controllers, would YOU think about building SAM "cockpit" SNR? biggrin

#3563152 - 04/26/12 06:58 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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So there are two methods - how to shoot down habu with dvina;
-as piston demonstrated "duck hunt type"
-range tracking by hand using table "height > evelation > range"


The problems with Dvina/Habu scenarios are (here, from HPASP himself):
Originally Posted By: Hpasp
Here are my thoughts about Dvina vs Habu...

To be able to consistently kill the Habu, the Dvina miss two things...
... jamming burntrough due to the small radar cross section of the Habu, and enough missile overload capability.
For the second, note that the 11DMVK missile could pull a bit more g's than the 11DKU...
11DKU is comparable to the V-755, while the 11DMVK to the 5Ya23.

... but it is also slower a bit.

The RCS of the Habu is lower than the F-105, so if all the jammers are working, no burnthrough.

The radio proxy fuse of the missile would need the following miss distance:

11DKU
30% chance of hit; 140m
50% chance of hit; 130m
80% chance of hit; 115m
100% chance of hit; 60m

11DMVK
30% chance of hit; 220m
50% chance of hit; 205m
80% chance of hit; 180m
100% chance of hit; 95m

cowboy


Note the bold text!
Waht I want to say is that the MAIN problem is the limited G capabilities of the missile. That means that T/T method (which is against jamming target) is not working, because when missile approaches near the SR-71, the missile cannot compensate it's huge speed, and passes behind/below. Because we cannot use RS, the K method is needed to gave us a bit lead, to compensate missile luck of maneuvre... The hand tracking is too jerky here, but in the real engagement I am sure it was done in that way (RS).

In reality, the common "Dvina" wasn't able to provide "a kill" over SR-71 on altitudes more than 18 km, due to his weak transmitter i.e. too late acquiring and tracking the target:


Maybe SA-75M/MK has some "special cards" in her sleeve... wink

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#3563170 - 04/26/12 07:50 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Yeah, I was about to say that the reason why we used the K mode was because there isn't any other way. But along the way I forgot the discussion a while back on the SR-71.

Use the table on all other jamming targets though. Unless you are piston, who happens to be able to telepathically tell where the plane is smile

#3563183 - 04/26/12 08:26 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Use the table on all other jamming targets though. Unless you are piston, who happens to be able to telepathically tell where the plane is

O, yes! In Linebacker the table helps to find where are those BUFF's, and when they are in range - BAM! Take this "pole"!
In fact "Dvina"'s killing range is slightly bigger then her burntrue range against B-52... In fact when the big active noise "shadow" on the screen starts to split on 2 or 3 separated noise areas, it means that B-52's are around 35 km apart... As I read it here, NVA use this to have some situational awareness about incoming bombers....

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#3563192 - 04/26/12 09:03 PM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Question, what is the current "high score" on the Habu scenario? Meaning who has shot and hit closest to the habu?

#3563830 - 04/28/12 05:57 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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Hi, I managed 6m with Vega, later I will add AAR and 3DAAR (my first try was at 39m).

#3563836 - 04/28/12 06:31 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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I believe CooLDog means in "Linebacker II" scenarios....

#3563876 - 04/28/12 10:12 AM Re: SAM Simulator [Re: Hpasp]  
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hi again i have som picture.gif for mr HP notworthy

http://www.rocketryonline.com/jimball/jimball/nike-hercules/index.html

this site have a som picture manuuality for mm-14 hercules

..................

on question .. mr.hp.

could u creat mm-104 patriot ??? i guess this surface is older and deactivated... dont u think??? do have access to manual surface and get picture???

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