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#3538821 - 03/15/12 07:53 AM Jane's FA-18 patches  
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I've been itchin' to load up another Jane's F18. I'm curious to know what links are out there that were released for this flight sim...
Thanks for the help-

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#3538891 - 03/15/12 12:42 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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#3539388 - 03/16/12 03:51 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: Falstar]  
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Well, I need to place an order....hoping in the Amazon Used Market Place.
Do you think the manual would be included on the disk? There's a cheapo being offered as disk only that I've ordered
Please tell me if it will have the pdf docs on disk.
I did find this manual, but it appears to be corrupted in areas..

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#3539611 - 03/16/12 03:27 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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CuMelter, there is a link to the manual on the TSH link Falstar gave you. I highly recommend the TSH addon if you intend to run the sim on a modern computer. Have fun!

#3539670 - 03/16/12 05:07 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: Shadow629]  
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Thanks for chiming in. No no, this system ain't modern. But it runs Falcon Allied Force w/full graphics in the campaigns with ease.
It'll run IL-2 1946 w/full graphics w/ease.
Same goes for LOMAC.

My system: (newly built in February)
Intel D915GAG
Intel Prescott P4 3.2 Ghz
Windows XP sp2 32-bit...Back Doors Sealed Shut
F-Secure Defense Systems on the fly
500 watt p/s
2Gb Crucial Ram
3Gb permanent swapfile
Seagate SATA 200 Gb HD
Asus GeForce 8400 512 Mb
Toshiba 42" using 'Full' spread
RealTek OnBoard audio
Realistic STA-780 Rebuilt
Realistic pair of Optimus One Rebuilt
Logitech Attack Force 3 stick

So do you think I should delve into the SuperHornet addons and so forth?
I remembered the days of the 'glass cockpit', so for spits & giggles I ordered the used disk from someone last night.
Jane's FA/18 really did have alot going for it back then so for 10 bucks I figured lets see how it would fair on this system...which is three times what I had back ten years ago.

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#3539882 - 03/16/12 11:21 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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CuMelter, that looks like a very capable rig. My suggestion was about Janes F/A18 being 12 years old and running stabler on older hardware than newer hardware. The TSH addon addresses some of the problems with running F/A18 on modern computers with newer OS's. But it is a grand old sim and well worth the time to set it up.

#3540034 - 03/17/12 05:00 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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#3540083 - 03/17/12 07:47 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Thanks, Rudel-
I'm over at the F/A-18 Resource site now.
But I don't know what you guys are telling me to get.
I understand the prob w/newer systems, so what file should I bring down-
I've tried the Utilities Link...nogo
Same for AddOns..

Or do you want me to bring down everything I see from the other links-
IE..F/A-18E..AI Aircraft..Misc Skins..Scenery...?????
Sorry, its late, the coffee pot's empty and I'm ticked that I have to get up
and make more...and I feel stupid for having to bother ya on specifics.
Thanks Big Time-
Ed

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#3540109 - 03/17/12 10:47 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Im not sure why the site is not working for you... try this and click on the pictures to get the v1.01 patch, Manual and Key Card

http://www.jf18-resource.com/utilities.htm

TSH is Team Super Hornet. It is a team who work in their free time to update and/or fix this simulation. They have a patch v4.02. A lot of people here use v3.06 though.

#3540165 - 03/17/12 02:09 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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CuMelter, By far, the easiest install of Janes F/A18 with TSH v3.06 is with the One Click Updater. You can get it here http://www.vfa-41.net/index.php?pr=FA-18_Utilities. Do a clean install of F/A18 and then apply the One Click Updater. The Updater even applys the Janes 1.01 patch so don't apply the patch separately. After TSH is installed, set the ingame resolution to the same as your desktop or the sim will CTD. This is done in the Fa18_TshV3manager on the Other Settings tab. You will have a short cut to TshV3Manager on you desktop, if I remember this correctly.

#3540231 - 03/17/12 04:36 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Thanks to you both, sincerely for helping me bring down those utils. I'm expecting the disc to arrive around weds.
See, I usually run most of my sim in a 1024 format and the Toshiba setting is set to full so I get a slightly stretched version of whats going on. And yet, not so stretched that it appears odd.
Thanks again for posting so late/early in the am. I went to bed around 3:30 and I hate staying up late. It only means I get up late, and my pets hate me for it.

To Gentlemen & Scholars- I raise my glass-
Ed in 'Bama

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#3540312 - 03/17/12 07:30 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: Shadow629]  
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Originally Posted By: Shadow629
CuMelter, By far, the easiest install of Janes F/A18 with TSH v3.06 is with the One Click Updater. You can get it here http://www.vfa-41.net/index.php?pr=FA-18_Utilities. Do a clean install of F/A18 and then apply the One Click Updater. The Updater even applys the Janes 1.01 patch so don't apply the patch separately. After TSH is installed, set the ingame resolution to the same as your desktop or the sim will CTD. This is done in the Fa18_TshV3manager on the Other Settings tab. You will have a short cut to TshV3Manager on you desktop, if I remember this correctly.


Sorry for hijacking the thread, but always wanted to ask, why 3.06 and not 4.2?


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#3541047 - 03/19/12 03:08 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: Staniol]  
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For some, it might be those silly looking trees that ate up some of the Kola Peninsula space, even if the space was not all that important. Overall, however, I think 4.02 is the best choice, unless you want to fly online with the boys at VFA-41, the Black Aces. They fly only 3.06.

#3541079 - 03/19/12 04:05 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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I d/l the 306...one click updater....I won't fly online for sometime. Thanks for the heads up.
I hope this all works. I'm really itching to get on the waters.
I had my bubble busted trying to get European Air Wars to work.
I never could. I guess it just didn't like my video card.
God, I hope Jane's will get along with it.

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#3541268 - 03/19/12 12:17 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Your video card will likely be okay. The issues that are of most immediate concern for me were these:
1. The incessant up view when you install your HOTAS. There is an easy, easy fix, so that one won't get you.
2. Banding of colors in the water. To me, it looks like the different shades you get with tidal changes and water depth. It is minor and I ignore it.
3. The AA slowdown. I just turn off anti-aliasing. It works fine then, and the anti-aliasing is a minor matter. I am not eye-candy
obsessed. I just want the systems to work.
5. Plane's failing to trap at a greater than normal rate. I have found that after my plane traps, the following planes trap at normal or close to normal frequency. Also, whether it really works or not, I load extra programs and leave them open on the desktop (e.g., several windows files) and I turn off my turbo button. I also have found that with a close-up chase view of a landing plane it seems to trap more often than not, but this could be another anecdotal thing.
6. CTD's happen more frequently with newer PCs. I recommend CH Products HOTAS equipment, not just because it is good, but because you can avoid the need for the second controller button in TSH Manager. (I have the Fighterstick, Pro-Throttle, Throttle Quad, and Pro-Pedals, and there is little need for another controller as there are plenty of buttons and the PC sees them all as a single controller.) It appears to me that the second controller increases the number of CTD's because of what might be kep mapping conflicts. I do have a Logitech G15 keyboard that is somewhat infamous as a culprit, so maybe that exacerbates my problem and you will do even better.

This venerable old flight sim has a magnificent mission builder, even if it has no dynamic campaign, but you can build branching variations into a campaign. What you can do with it is amazing. There are also variable occurrences that you can build into a mission so that even the builder cannot fully know what the combination of threats are in each replay. New TSH improvements allow you to change terrain colors for seasons and areas, and there are now player-created missions that model operations in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Serbia, Korea, South America, California (Training-mine)and elsewhere. It is a versatile system.

For right now, carrier operations modeling is second to none. There has never been a sim without imperfections, but the size and scope of this sim has stood the test of time...and I prefer it to any Falcon version, though I still "fly" Falcon, but, now, only F4AF.

#3541326 - 03/19/12 01:37 PM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Quote:
" ....There are also variable occurrences that you can build into a mission so that even the builder cannot fully know what the combination of threats are in each replay...."

Precisely. I liked the idea. At the time, I had fun getting a handle on the whole Boolean language thang, but I caught up to it and I'm anxious to use it again.
Eye Candy for me can be several things. What I hate the most is the stair-steps...no wait...I hate the absence of Anisotropic filtering and midmapping.

I don't remember those terms way back, but I have a fair handle on them now. Things get alot cleaner when these two filters are engaged, from my perspective at least. Funny thing...when I got my video card...it had a disc and a pamphlet and that was it.
No definition of terms...no whammo marketing slang...the pamphlet merely said to put the disc in the drive.
Major duh-ya think I should put this disc into my drive.


With this system as it is...I got a gut feelin' that I'll be flying Falcon Allied and Jane's F/A-18 only.
I'll keep IL-2 1946 on the drive as a killer reference/library.

#3544687 - 03/25/12 02:53 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Well today the program arrived.
Two disks in excellent condition from appearances.
Hot Damn...lets do some Jane's once again. FA/18 did have a helluva lot going for it.
As far as I can remember, Jane's and Falcon 4 were the only games in town back then.
That dog would still hunt today.
But we do have a no joy situation here-

Installed FA/18.
Executed patch file included w/program.
Joy.
Configured program via interface menus.
Selected 1024:768 as display preference.
All details set to HIGH.
Started training programs.
1st- takeoff
Once in the simulation, the cockpit view kept wanting scroll upwards towards the sky.
Pressing F2 fixed that, I thought. Turned out..F2 was padlocking something 'out there' somewhere.

The cockpit was all too familiar. I have forgotten the key commands but that wasn't an issue.

Flight model was familiar. Skies were familiar but now they were rainbowed as in only displaying 16-bit...not true 32-bit gradience from heaven to horizon.

2nd training- Amraam.
Now the simulation acts like its using software to display interface.
My guess would be the framerates are down to about 12.
Cockpit keeps wanting to look towards the stars.

Something is terribly wrong.
Installed the one-click updater from TSH.
Reentered the program...same results.

No Joy.
What could be the issue, do you think.
I'm guessing this damned nVidia video card and drivers.
I'm gonna yank the video card out later this evening or in the am and use the on-board intel graphics to see if that will correct things.
I know that Falcon 4.08 will not play w/this nVidia card and new drivers.
But it will scream with the onboard video circuitry/drivers from Intel.

#3544691 - 03/25/12 03:06 AM Re: Jane's FA-18 patches [Re: CuMelter]  
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Don't panic. Here is the first "fix" from the FAQ's on this forum:

1. View panning up
Remove the line JOY1_HATUP=CAM_ROTATE_UP from the f18keys.ini file. The change must be made for each mapping that is used in-game.

2. Check the remaining FAQ's and go to the TSH website for further info on other problems, including AA slowdown. I have always avoided this by turning off anti-aliasing, which is hardly noticed unless you spend a lot of time on exterior view closeups.

Timc

#3544706 - 03/25/12 04:29 AM Small Improvements All Too Familiar [Re: Timc]  
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Removed the nVidia GeForce 8400 GS card. Changed Bios, Reloaded the onboard Intel Video Driers.
Thought I'd post first before re-entering the sim.
Off to edit the INI file now.

Update-
Removed all statements regarding joystick hat switch command and saved them in a backup text.
Launched Jane's-
Loaded Amraam training...
Really stunning Night time view- selected the Slammer..locked bogey...fired...all looked excellent and sky was back to 32-bit display.
Does anyone remember the key sequence to display FPS..? I can't recall if it was possible or not.
Jane's now looks really good at 1024 on the Toshiba.
Anywhoo...big thanks for the tip. dance

Now its time to dance with the video settings and see what's available.
I know the onboard graphics won't work for LOMAC or IL-1946, but that's ok.
I'm hungry for this great sim release.

#3544869 - 03/25/12 04:41 PM Re: Small Improvements All Too Familiar [Re: CuMelter]  
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Originally Posted By: Shadow629
CuMelter, By far, the easiest install of Janes F/A18 with TSH v3.06 is with the One Click Updater. You can get it here http://www.vfa-41.net/index.php?pr=FA-18_Utilities. Do a clean install of F/A18 and then apply the One Click Updater. The Updater even applys the Janes 1.01 patch so don't apply the patch separately. After TSH is installed, set the ingame resolution to the same as your desktop or the sim will CTD. This is done in the Fa18_TshV3manager on the Other Settings tab. You will have a short cut to TshV3Manager on you desktop, if I remember this correctly.


Your patching twice. Get a stable install first, then play with the graghic settings.

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