#3504319 - 01/27/12 12:02 AM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Welcome Pedro. When I wrote that guide, many said I was arrogant for even attempting such a project until I had years in the game. Glad it helped.
If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
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#3504574 - 01/27/12 09:14 AM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Welcome Pedro. When I wrote that guide, many said I was arrogant for even attempting such a project until I had years in the game. Glad it helped. Well I am glad you decided to write it despite any naysayers. It really helped me out.
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#3505749 - 01/28/12 05:32 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Is your guide available for free anywhere, or do I need to pay for a service to download it? I don't have problem with you asking for compensation for your work, but I wonder if that was your intention.
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#3505769 - 01/28/12 05:59 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Is your guide available for free anywhere, or do I need to pay for a service to download it? I don't have problem with you asking for compensation for your work, but I wonder if that was your intention. It's free, and very informative. WD's Guide to Dog Fighting
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#3505854 - 01/28/12 08:06 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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You guys should check for the later Version 4 at Mission4Today.com. If you need more info or links, private message me, and I will help you out.
And we will try to get this thread back onto the business of debating the merits of 4.11 patch boom and zoom changes.
If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
Like asking weird questions and are good at math? Maybe you can join us at the Jacobs School of Engineering, UC San Diego. Tackling the grand mysteries of the age with science.
At the core of most of life's deep mysteries, is the language that Mother Nature truly speaks in, ..... mathematics.
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#3507387 - 01/30/12 09:51 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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The debate will continue over at 1C I guess for many months, but I have to get back to research and trying to obtain tenure. JG27 Papa over there asked for some Ntrks, so I made a few (which you can easily reproduce in 4.11 yourself). First is the TA 152 H1 on the Crimea map at 1000m starting alt, with rad set to full open, and auto pitch, and then put her into a combat dive at full 110% power with WEP: http://www.mediafire.com/?dzxqgfh1gbducwdOverheat at the top of the first pass. Engine burnout after three quick boom and zoom loops. Second is the hotter Okinawa map without auto rad, same conditions with overheat in about 10 seconds: http://www.mediafire.com/?sy2wk0y2b2d71caI enjoy and really like most of 4.11 and welcome more accurate CEM, but I think heed also needs to be paid to correct modeling of the overheat. And IMHO, that has not happened yet. Some really glaring examples like the late Spits and the P51-Ds which used the same engine but perform vastly different in combat climb overheating. Of course, I have been accused of being a rubbish pilot, or only flying on airquake servers, etc....but when you look past the venom, the ntrks show an overheat model that just does not correspond to the comments I see in these period era aviation manuals. I do not see any evidence for actual planes in an overheat condition in one combat pass. And the FW and TA flight models have changed, with the TA suffering considerably. Whether Team D, will take notice or not (or even cares), ... no idea, but I wish em well. I myself am not a fan of 4.11 for online play, but the patch is free, and it took hundreds of hours of collaborative effort to make, so I cant btch too much. I wish em well in whatever direction they continue to push IL2. As to the interview with Capt Holcomb, it will be put up at Mission4Today.com later this week. Signing off of this thread. S! Gents.
If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
Like asking weird questions and are good at math? Maybe you can join us at the Jacobs School of Engineering, UC San Diego. Tackling the grand mysteries of the age with science.
At the core of most of life's deep mysteries, is the language that Mother Nature truly speaks in, ..... mathematics.
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#3515777 - 02/10/12 05:31 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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A few folks wanted exact historical documents to show/verify what the TA 152-H1 could do. Here are two excellent sources that reference captured Luftwaffe records: http://www.amazon.com/Focke-Wulf-Ta-152-Thomas-Hitchcock/dp/0914144537http://www.amazon.com/Focke-Wulf-Ta-152-Luftwaffes-High-Altitude/dp/0764308602The Hitchcock book says the Ta 152-H1 could hit 598 kph sustained at sea level with the MW-50 boost for eight minutes and 58 seconds, before engine overheat damage began. (the Hitchcock book also shows copies of the Luftwaffe records from the flight trials) The Harmann book gives the level flight, sea level max speed at 609 kph with MW-50 and also lists 8 min and 58 seconds of boost without engine overheat at this speed. The Harmann book also lists the 598 kph figure but says that pilots in testing were able to optimize that for an extra 10 kph. The Ta 152-H1 in Patch 4.11 can do max sustained of 530 kph without engine overheat, on the Crimea map with the quick mission builder (you can do faster but engine overheat will quickly come on).
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If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
Like asking weird questions and are good at math? Maybe you can join us at the Jacobs School of Engineering, UC San Diego. Tackling the grand mysteries of the age with science.
At the core of most of life's deep mysteries, is the language that Mother Nature truly speaks in, ..... mathematics.
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#3515822 - 02/10/12 06:15 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Btw, both books give German aviation engineers opinion that the Ta 152 was probably the world's fastest piston fighter at the time of deployment (early 1945). The Ta could out dive (920 kph!!!, only out matched by the P47 in a dive) and out run any P51 variant in the European Theater and even faster than the Do 336 in level flight speed down low. If your in to aviation history, I suggest the books above, they are an interesting read.
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If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
Like asking weird questions and are good at math? Maybe you can join us at the Jacobs School of Engineering, UC San Diego. Tackling the grand mysteries of the age with science.
At the core of most of life's deep mysteries, is the language that Mother Nature truly speaks in, ..... mathematics.
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#3515875 - 02/10/12 07:16 PM
Re: What Spitfire Donkey D#ck decided to mess up 4.11 ?
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Yes, Greybeard (hey, do you live at High Hrothgar ?, ... hehe) the Harmann book lists that as top speed without MW-50 boost.
Edit - Sorry, GB, meant "without"
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If you can defeat me in a fair same altitude duel, you are either Hartmann's ghost or you have a ganja problem that needs treatment.
Like asking weird questions and are good at math? Maybe you can join us at the Jacobs School of Engineering, UC San Diego. Tackling the grand mysteries of the age with science.
At the core of most of life's deep mysteries, is the language that Mother Nature truly speaks in, ..... mathematics.
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