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#3508453 - 02/01/12 04:29 AM The French win. India picks Rafale over Eurofighter  
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16809532

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French firm Dassault has emerged as the lowest bidder for a $10bn (£6.3bn) contract to supply India jet fighters. Dassault Aviation, as preferred bidder, will now enter final talks before signing a deal that will supply India's air force with 126 Rafale aircraft. Correspondents say this is one of the world's biggest defence deals and is a major setback for rival bidder, the Eurofighter Typhoon.


I guess in the end money was the main difference.

But besides the cheaper offer, the Indians have been using Mirages for
several years so they are no strangers to French technology.


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#3508578 - 02/01/12 10:02 AM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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It's a much needed boost for the Rafale - I'm happy for the French.

#3508597 - 02/01/12 11:39 AM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Nothing signed yet though, so who knows?

#3508609 - 02/01/12 12:18 PM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: archermav]  
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Nothing signed yet though, so who knows?


Yeah...but it would be good for us , taxpayers, who heavily took part of the increasing wealth of the Dassault family,to have some relief and that they can make some money on their own with their military branch ! and what about the RN, nothing in view ?


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#3508610 - 02/01/12 12:19 PM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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They didn't get the contract yet. They just won the right to get into further exclusive talks.
So, still everything's open somehow...

#3508654 - 02/01/12 01:29 PM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: warmaker_pp]  
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It's probably the right decision from an Indian perspective and more cost effective. The Typhoon is the better air superiority aircraft, but there is not a lot in it and the Rafale is certainly no slouch either. Rafale is more multi-role oriented and flexible. The IAF also have a lot of SU-30MKI fighters for the air superiority job...which are still more than capable.

Better 'bang for buck', from their position. Rafale is a good aircraft.


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#3508693 - 02/01/12 02:28 PM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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I'm actually wondering... they are using MiG-29K for their carrier project. Might be in the future they'll consider naval Rafales.

Something else a friend of mine rightly pointed out: Indians want the aircraft to be able and carry nukes. This is not something any German Eurofighter salesman could have publically boosted off without negative publicity impact.

#3509095 - 02/02/12 12:09 AM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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I'm glad to see Dassault win one. The Mirage III, 5, and 2000-5 are among my personal top favorite jet fighters.

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#3509100 - 02/02/12 12:14 AM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: warmaker_pp]  
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Originally Posted By: warmaker_pp
They didn't get the contract yet. They just won the right to get into further exclusive talks.
So, still everything's open somehow...

<tangent>

This is a lot like what happened with Canada's recent national shipbuilding competition. The Halifax-based Irving yards "won" the contract to build the next fleet of Canadian warships. In truth, what they won was the right to negotiate a contract. Of course, the champagne corks are already popping, bot nevermind the fact that Canada has no real high-end domestic defence industry building the kind of weapons and sensors that go into a modern surface combatant. That means a good chunk of the cash spent on the new ships - maybe even as much as half - will ultimately go to defence companies outside of the country.

</tangent>


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#3509250 - 02/02/12 07:20 AM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: fatty]  
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Originally Posted By: fatty
Originally Posted By: warmaker_pp
They didn't get the contract yet. They just won the right to get into further exclusive talks.
So, still everything's open somehow...

<tangent>

This is a lot like what happened with Canada's recent national shipbuilding competition. The Halifax-based Irving yards "won" the contract to build the next fleet of Canadian warships. In truth, what they won was the right to negotiate a contract. Of course, the champagne corks are already popping, bot nevermind the fact that Canada has no real high-end domestic defence industry building the kind of weapons and sensors that go into a modern surface combatant. That means a good chunk of the cash spent on the new ships - maybe even as much as half - will ultimately go to defence companies outside of the country.

</tangent>


Don't worry, they'll build 5 of the world's best ships, sail them on trials, confirm they were great ships, and then scrap them. Rumors will persist for the next 50 years that Canada hid one of those ships, and ultimately, they'll buy cast off American ships from the previous generation.


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#3510292 - 02/03/12 03:59 PM Re: The French win. India pick Rafale over Eurofighter [Re: Timothy]  
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Originally Posted By: Timothy
Originally Posted By: fatty
Originally Posted By: warmaker_pp
They didn't get the contract yet. They just won the right to get into further exclusive talks.
So, still everything's open somehow...

<tangent>

This is a lot like what happened with Canada's recent national shipbuilding competition. The Halifax-based Irving yards "won" the contract to build the next fleet of Canadian warships. In truth, what they won was the right to negotiate a contract. Of course, the champagne corks are already popping, bot nevermind the fact that Canada has no real high-end domestic defence industry building the kind of weapons and sensors that go into a modern surface combatant. That means a good chunk of the cash spent on the new ships - maybe even as much as half - will ultimately go to defence companies outside of the country.

</tangent>


Don't worry, they'll build 5 of the world's best ships, sail them on trials, confirm they were great ships, and then scrap them. Rumors will persist for the next 50 years that Canada hid one of those ships, and ultimately, they'll buy cast off American ships from the previous generation.

You might be joking, but this scenario is probably not that far from what could happen. The funding allocated to the ship procurement programme is not enough to buy 15 modern high-end surface combatants (i.e., frigates) off the shelf today, let alone accounting for inflation and increasing costs of materials ten, fifteen, or twenty years down the road. So, we may wind up with five or so high-end ships with top of the line bells and whistles like anti-ballistic missile radars and missile systems or perhaps particle weaponry, and another five to ten low-end equipped only with the bare essentials. Or, if the economy takes a major nose dive, the entire programme could be jeopardized, and we might have to strike a deal for older American hand-me-downs to populate the so-called navy after next.


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