#3496062 - 01/16/12 07:57 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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In the simulator, and so now 5 SAM, you first learn them. I know this simulator only 1 year, and it still has a lot of questions. Ashuluk polygon is too small for Vega. It is calculated on the Dvina, Volkhov, Neva, KRUG. I would recommend not to take Vega again. For the beginner Dvina is good, it is simple. You can try all five SAMs and choose which is more suited to you. I recommend to start Dvina! My opinion!
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#3496100 - 01/16/12 08:55 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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There is something wrong with shooting against jamming target... 6 5Ya23 against f*ckin radar reflector with jamming and nothing.... I tried another: I shot against non-jamming Radar Reflektor, T/T mode, Rab ot VM, fuse Standart; AS only on beta and epsilon, distance boresight slightly further than target (on 5 km mode), and nothing!.... Hpasp, do you thing that is real???
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#3496163 - 01/16/12 10:29 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Another bug-like: Neva tends to lose angle track of jamming target after a few seconds - I was unable to shoot anything around Hanoi, I lost every single missile after launch. Dvina works well: brought down 2x F-105 and 4x F-4 before forced out of a computer (bad habits, I know ).
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#3496180 - 01/16/12 11:07 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Dvina works well, and Neva became ill to work. It's like Hpasp corrects errors, and their more and more? Strange!
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#3496376 - 01/17/12 06:13 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Another bug-like: Neva tends to lose angle track of jamming target after a few seconds - I was unable to shoot anything around Hanoi, I lost every single missile after launch.That is a feature! Neva, and KRUG arms the radio-proxy fuse right after the launch. The Chaff field will detonate these missiles, if you aim a B52. With these two systems, the Weasels, and F4's around the airports can be dodged only.
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#3496405 - 01/17/12 07:42 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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See? Even your family knows that you should target the B-52s! Dvina works well: brought down 2x F-105 and 4x F-4 before forced out of a computer (bad habits, I know ).
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#3496414 - 01/17/12 08:15 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I have a few question regarding some control lights that aren't documented in the (English) manual and would like to know if my guesses about their meaning are right: 1 - This seems to light up when all parameters for a launch are met and everything is set up properly. 2 - This lights up yellow and seems to be linked to the elevation control. Am I right that this is to prevent me from sending missiles below the horizon? 3 - This seems to indicate commands being sent from the "Long Track" station, only the yellow warning that the dish is remotely rotated is modeled. 4 - Doesn't seem to be modeled, but what would these lights indicate? For the beginner Dvina is good, it is simple.
I picked the KRUG as a starter simply because it had the fewest screens, is the Dvina really easier to use?
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#3496421 - 01/17/12 09:29 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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Another bug-like: Neva tends to lose angle track of jamming target after a few seconds - I was unable to shoot anything around Hanoi, I lost every single missile after launch.That is a feature! Neva, and KRUG arms the radio-proxy fuse right after the launch. The Chaff field will detonate these missiles, if you aim a B52. With these two systems, the Weasels, and F4's around the airports can be dodged only. Nonono! I lose a missile BECAUSE I lose the track. C'mon, I am not so absolute a rookie not to recognize chaff. By the way, I have a double evidence that K3 in Neva does not work well: case 1: B-52, burnthrough, K3 set, range locked, missile detonated halfway because of chaff. Should be immune to that! case 2: shooting a jammer without burnthrough, K3 accidentally left switched on, missile passed boresight and detonated by radio fuse!! (jammer was actually some 5 km behind boresight). Should not cross that line! Is the difference between RVSB and RV simulated at all? I haven't seen Neva missile detonated by ground reflection yet.
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#3496426 - 01/17/12 09:59 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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This one with K3 seems to be a problem with SA-2's too... Vintorez, could you test it on Dvina and Volkhov, I cant today... :()
Just to remind to Hpasp:
Hi, Hpasp,
I want to report for 2 bugs, I've noticed both on Ashuluk. First, I did a training with 3 LA-17, simulating "Tomahawk" + EA-6 with jamming in sm diapazon (on SNR). While tracking a Tomahawk, it crossed the jamming sector from EA-6, and it was vissible (like in a burnthrue conditions), but it was at about 30 km from my Dvina. Second was one of the LA-17 fly over the SNR (with P = 0 km), and my SNR starts spinning like mad on azimuth (it did it many times with about 0.5 rps, and the epsilon hit 90 degrees than goes to zero lightning fast. The La-17 imitated "Tomahawk" too (100-140 meters altitude). Please check. Thanks....
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#3496430 - 01/17/12 10:30 AM
Re: SAM Simulator
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First, I did a training with 3 LA-17, simulating "Tomahawk" + EA-6 with jamming in sm diapazon (on SNR). While tracking a Tomahawk, it crossed the jamming sector from EA-6, and it was vissible (like in a burnthrue conditions), but it was at about 30 km from my Dvina.
That is ok, as not the Tomahawk was jamming, but another plane much further away.
Second was one of the LA-17 fly over the SNR (with P = 0 km), and my SNR starts spinning like mad on azimuth (it did it many times with about 0.5 rps, and the epsilon hit 90 degrees than goes to zero lightning fast. The La-17 imitated "Tomahawk" too (100-140 meters altitude).
I will check it...
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#3496495 - 01/17/12 02:24 PM
Re: SAM Simulator
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I picked the KRUG as a starter simply because it had the fewest screens, is the Dvina really easier to use? Yes, I would learn these systems in order, First Dvina, then Volhov, Neva, KRUG, Vega. 1 - This seems to light up when all parameters for a launch are met and everything is set up properly.Manual page 40. 15, “GOTOVN.” Indication shows, that the selected missile, is ready for launch. 2 - This lights up yellow and seems to be linked to the elevation control. Am I right that this is to prevent me from sending missiles below the horizon?It indicates; Epsilon <= 5 degree. Just a warning. 3 - This seems to indicate commands being sent from the "Long Track" station, only the yellow warning that the dish is remotely rotated is modeled.
No. Leftmost, red indication is "PRIN CU" meaning, that the P40 is sending target coordinates, just the SNR is not receiving it. If you leave the black switch above 1, in the middle accidentally. Rightmost, green "RV" indication is showing that the K3 command was sent out, radio proxy fuse is armed. 4 - Doesn't seem to be modeled, but what would these lights indicate?No idea. In the manual I have, that is empty. Probably a lamp that was used in earlier SNR version, not used with the M3.
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