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#3459228 - 05/27/10 07:12 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Hmmmn, the only way I can get the joystick to have any effact at all is to select auto in dosbox.conf. When I enter the game, the plane is in a death roll and crashes. The joystick doesn't seem to have any effect. When running the joystick calibration routine, the controls appear to be very 'noisy'. 
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#3459229 - 05/27/10 09:22 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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I've seen that with a stick too - what kind are you using?
That uncontrollable joystick behavior happened to me when I installed the dos version with dosbox rather than the dos prompt method. I couldn't solve the extreme roll, no matter how many times I recalibrated. Went away with the other install.
But - there might be a selection in the stick section of conf that can help. I can't remember the line/name, but do you see something like "timed" in one of the four or so lines for stick options? Change it from the default to the opposite (if "false", change to "true" - or vice versa). That changed the jittery calibration to stable, and the throttle and rudder to work properly, rather than the stick rudder always act as the throttle axis.
(What version of dosbox?)
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#3459230 - 05/27/10 09:30 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Hey, it's working.  I've got a Logitech Wingman Force3D. Since I don't bother with the force feedback, I don't usually have its power supply connected. EF2000 seems to need it to be plugged in though. It's still a bit jumpy, although it's usable after I've centralised it with Alt-C. I might try and reinstall tomorrow using from the ordinary dos prompt to see if it makes any difference.
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#3459231 - 05/27/10 09:36 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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That's great news! Glad to hear it, mike.
If you have any issues with the stick functions, check the "swap34" line and switch to "true" - can sometimes fix the rudder/throttle mixup. The "timed" one was what stablized the calibration and also I think the throttle/rudder thing, last time around for my stick - an old Sidewinder Pro.
I found this section in the dosbox version 0.71 (the newest is 74, and I think has a different file to access the stuff that is in the usual .conf.):
[joystick] # joysticktype -- Type of joystick to emulate: auto (default), none, # 2axis (supports two joysticks), 4axis, # fcs (Thrustmaster), ch (CH Flightstick). # none disables joystick emulation. # auto chooses emulation depending on real joystick(s). # timed -- enable timed intervals for axis. (false is old style behaviour). # autofire -- continuously fires as long as you keep the button pressed. # swap34 -- swap the 3rd and the 4th axis. can be useful for certain joysticks. # buttonwrap -- enable button wrapping at the number of emulated buttons.
joysticktype=auto timed=true autofire=false swap34=false buttonwrap=true
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#3459234 - 05/28/10 07:57 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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mike, before you install you have to set your system clock back to when SC was active. Jan 1998 iir orked for me. It's listed at the top of all this. That s a pin, but simple to do with the Windows time and date settings menu. And probably a good idea to change it back when you are finished running SC for the day. :-)
For x64 I have no experience - hope it isn't a show stopper. Perhaps the Win XP compat mode would help if it is.
Oh - what did you mean by "it's messed up the normal install"? Mounting EF2000 proper and starting it, wouldn't run any longer? After installing SC?
In working this out, I found it extremely helpful to make a clean dos prompt install as outlined here, and after ensuring that it works - no SC messing around yet! - immediately copy the entire EF2000 folder over to another location. In attempting to get that beta SC to work, I musrt have deleted the original EF folder a half a dozen times and copied the clean one back in place. I'm sorry not to have mentioned that in the original post!
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#3459237 - 09/09/10 10:12 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Hi Eugene, thx for posting this about EF2000. Maybe you remember me, you have already helped me a lot 2 years ago in the TAW forum of SimHQ when I posted my questions about EF2000. I have tryed various methods to get run Strategic Commander. Actually i can get it run without too much problems in DosBox with D-Fend Reloaded, also patching with the beta goes fine, but alas, the best i can get is this (see images below). I have skipped the various intermediate screens, showing the first, the last and - immediately after - the crash screen; SC will first ask you if it should create a new campaign (as there is no one present after a fresh install). I feel i'm very close to success, but i am not expert enough to understand the error. Please tell me if you have all the files (also the beta) of SC, otherwise i may PM them to you if you need. I still hope to get this to run one day... a beautiful day...  Greets! XenonS   
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#3459238 - 09/09/10 11:04 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Hey, Xenon. Good to hear from you. I am just unpacking from a big move so don't have access yet to my primary computer. I recall a similar fault at the last point before getting SC to run, before I did the full dos installing as well as running...the specific steps outlined earlier.
Also, using a front end always ultimately resulted in errors when running dosbox for SC. That dos prompt approach for installing was the main breakthru to later success in getting the program to finally run for a campaign.
But I cannot figure out the beta patch thing. How did you manage that and how verify it?
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#3459239 - 09/10/10 12:23 AM
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Mikew, to get rid of your sound problems, go in the EF2000.CFG and change the Music entry to the following: Music=1,127 My EF2000.CFG looks like this: DETAIL=2 REZ=1 CONTROL=0 MUSIC=1,127 STICK=0 JOYSTICK=4000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 SOUNDFX=1,127 SPEECH=1 VRHELMET=0 JOY_FACTOR=0 As an alternative try this one (i have posted this on Frugals, sorry my personal notes for this are in German, just look at the numbers) BE SURE TO GET RID OF THE LITTLE SIGN BEFORE "JOYSCALE" IF PRESENT IN YOUR FILE !! This is what causes sound lack and stutterings. REZ=1 .... => bestimmt die Grafikauflösung; REZ=2 mal ausprobieren. REALISM=0,0,0,0,0,0,1 DETAIL=2 HUDCOL=121 CONTROL=1 SPEECH=1,127 .............. => auf diesen Wert ändern! JOY_FACTOR=100 JOYSCALE=512 .............. => Sollte beim Start kein Sound laden (erkennbar am INTEL-Werbesound/INTEL-Fenster beim Start), dann löscht man die kleine Raute "" - hier links vor dem Eintrag zu sehen - und startet neu. JOYSCALE=512 SOUNDFX=1,127 .............. => auf diesen Wert ändern! MUSIC=0,0 .............. => auf WINXP diesen Wert besser so lassen (keine Musik). Probeweise den Wert 1,127 einstellen. Note: I didn't start in DOS yet, as playing SEF 2000 for Windows. I've only loaded the DOS 2.0 version in the hope to transfer edited campaigns from SC to SEF, but as seen in the pics above, i never get very far... A slightly off-topic: the install of SEF2000 will NOT work anymore on Win7, be warned! So you have to extract those files on XP first Eugene, My CD of EF2000 is gone long time ago. All i have is a created folder of all EF2000 v.2.0 files and the SEF2000 part after my last install from CD (very happy to have saved that one from desaster  ) In my folder of the DOS v2.0 there's no INSTALL.EXE. My exes are (other than the CFG, IFF, JOYSTICK, MISSIONS folders and other files): CONFIG.EXE DIAGNOST.EXE DOS4GW.EXE EF2000.EXE (24.06.1997, 12:51) SETSOUND.EXE The program runs fine from my D-Fend Reloaded (although i was mostly running SEF 2000 in Win XP with CPU Grabber, a D3D speed tweaker). D-Fend does nothing else than loading dosbox.exe and reading the conf file you set for EF2000 (or SEF2K.com for Strategic Commander). I have compared this to the one above, but found no special differences. So the mistery remains. As for the beta, i had no problems whatsoever: I can't remember if i started it with Dosbox (probably yes), but i remember clearly about updating messages of EF2000.exe done sucessfully. I'll try to start everything from scratch the next days time permitting with some screenshots. Would be wonderful if i could get past those beginning screens... XenonS
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#3459240 - 09/10/10 03:17 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Thanks XenonS, but I got EF2000/SC working OK under DosBox in the end, although I had the same problem with the beta version of SC as Eugene mentions. ...but then I got interested in DosBox itself when I realised it was an Open Source project. The quality of their source code is excellent and I could get EF2000 quickly up and running under a version of DosBox compiled from source. Then my thinking went along the lines of, if Soundblaster cards are emulated by intercepting calls to the PCI port, then why not do the same for the PCI 3dFx commands which must be sent by the Graphics+ version of EF2000 and channel them (somehow) to a Glide wrapper. This is not trivial, but not impossible either as far as I can see. But in order to investigate this, I wanted the hardware accelerated EF2000 running in its native environment. I have a Voodoo card, windows 98 disk and a PC from about 2003 which was destined for the scrapheap. Windows is needed for some reason to install the Graphics+ patch. The first job was to get win98 running. It installed OK, but would not boot up since apparently, the version of win98 that I have can't handle processor speeds of greater than 2.1GHz...and the BIOS setup wouldn't let me reduce the bus speed. So, I put the project on hold...then forgot about it. I'm sure I've got later versions of Win98 lying around somewhere, since in those days you got a CD with a new PC, so might have another look later. 
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#3459241 - 09/10/10 07:46 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Hi Mikew, happy you could start EF2000 and SC at the end.
...The first job was to get win98 running. It installed OK, but would not boot up since apparently, the version of win98 that I have can't handle processor speeds of greater than 2.1GHz...and the BIOS setup wouldn't let me reduce the bus speed...
You can get around of this, although not the Voodoo or Glide part: It's possible to "emulate" an older Windows version on a PC havin Windows XP and later. You do this with a tool called Microsoft Virtual PC. The steps are the following: - Install MS Virtual PC 2007 - Install old Windows (e.g. Windows 98 SE) within Virtual PC's interface - Run the Win98 USB patch - Install Add-ons for Virtual PC I use this method if i have to run older WIN programs. In fact, i highly recommend this as a WIN counterpart of DosBox. It doesn't at all interfere with your main WIN installation, no need to make complicated things like a dual boot or dances like these, it works just fine. And the sound is rendered 100% - provided the game was working OK with no bugs under the old win version. Anything is well separated from your main op system, all being in a separate folder after install, ready to go. Lauch VPC and Win98, and install anything you want under "Win98". You won't notice the difference onscreen. There's even a speed tweaker to simulate 486, PI etc. With a hot key you return to your main op system. Currently i don't have that installed, but i figure out that this would put an end to the troubles with getting SC to run. Will try it out and switch to DOS from within Win98... A DOS in a Win in a Win, i hope i don't have to go to level 10  I have tested this with following flight sims and lots of old games and apps: - Super EF 2000 for Windows 95 - iF-22 v.5 (Interactive Magic) Greets, and don't get lost in Windows... XenonS
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#3459242 - 09/11/10 10:10 AM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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Thanks again XenonS. I can't go the Virtual PC route with my 'Home' edition of x64 Vista, although I do have a foreign language Vista Pro upgrade that I needed to buy when I was working in europe. But that would just add more problems.  The whole point is to get 3D acceleration working, but since EF2000 talks directly to the hardware, a physical Voodoo or Rendition device is needed. I was hoping to at least install the Graphics+ patch in DosBox to see what files are generated, but the setup program needs Windows. If I use Vista64 to run the setup program, I get some other error despite trying all compatibility modes. What I don't know yet, is whether after having installed the Graphics+ patch, Windows is still needed to be present in order to run the game. Anybody? Since I have all the hardware, I thought I'd just set up a real Win98 PC with Voodoo card to investigate, but ran into the CPU speed issue mentioned earlier.
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#3459243 - 09/11/10 12:56 PM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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I was hoping to at least install the Graphics+ patch in DosBox to see what files are generated, but the setup program needs Windows. If I use Vista64 to run the setup program, I get some other error despite trying all compatibility modes.
Which version are you talking about? It must be EF2000 Special Edition, in EF2000 v2.0 for DOS there's no setup running under Windows or i miss something. [UPDATED !] For Win 95 there is: Super EF 2000 for Windows 95 (sold in Europe, with NO TACTCOM) SETUP.EXE 18.02.96 17:18 EF2000 Special Edition together with the TACTCOM expansion pack (US version, best Win version of EF2000) SETUP.EXE 08.07.1996 16:36 TATCOM.EXE 08.08.96 12:12 EF2000 v.2.0 consists of 3 possible installs: EF2000 v2.0 for Windows 95 EF2000 v2.0 for DOS > Installs possible for 3DFX, Voodoo, Rendition cards Patches (don't know for which of the 3 above): EF2000 2.02 to 2.04 English release EF2000 2.04 English Release EF2000 Graphics+ Update for 3D cards Addons: EFUTIL - campaign add-on REVIVE - campaign add-on Strategic Commander - campaign add-on in BOTH cases of the Win versions, if you want to run the game in Vista, then that's how you avoid errors: - After launching setup chose the HIGHEST possible grafics and details - then comes a menu to setup sound, speech and music. DEACTIVATE ALL 3 BOXES an go on. - A menu comes asking you if you will use a jostick from the Thrustmaster series. ANSWER YES, no matter what you have (otherwise a very old driver will be chosen) - after quiting setup, open the ef2000.cfg and do the ALTERNATIVE solution shown above (speech, music = 1,127, no special signs must begin in a line). Run the game once, start a mission, check music, speech and quit. To run EF2000 I recommend you "CPUGrabber", a d3d speed tweaker (not system clock based which would cause stuttering) . After running setup and the game you now must have all possible files. Sort your folder by date. XenonS
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#3459244 - 09/11/10 01:21 PM
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Here's the contents of my EF2000 v2.0 CD showing the top level, then the 3DFX directory.  ...and I see now that there is a README, which gives some interesting information: ========================================================================================================
C - EF2000 V2.0 GRAPHICS PLUS.
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Configuring a Windows 95 DOS box.
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The Setup program normally installs EF2000 V2.0 (Graphics plus) and configures
the game to run from the desktop. Should any problems be encountered the procedure
detailed below should be followed.
Click with your right mouse button on an empty area of your Windows 95 desktop.
From the menu, select 'New'.
From the submenu, select 'Shortcut'.
In the 'Command line' edit box, type the drive, path, and filename of the games batch file.
e.g. C:\EF2000\EF2000.BAT
Type a name for the shortcut you are creating. e.g. Graphics Plus.
Now select an icon for the shortcut.
The shortcut will now be on your desktop.
Click with your right mouse button on the newly created shortcut.
Select 'Properties' from the menu.
On the 'Program' tab page :
Ensure that the 'Working' edit box specifies the drive and path in which the game files
are located. e.g. C:\EF2000
Put a check in the 'Close on exit' checkbox. Should you encounter any problems running
the game, this can be unchecked so that any errors returned to the DOS box can be
reported.
On the 'Memory' tab page :
Set 'Initial environment' to 2048.
Put a check in the 'Protected' checkbox.
Set 'Expanded (EMS) memory' to None.
Set 'Extended (XMS) memory' to None.
Put a check in the 'Uses HMA' checkbox.
Set 'MS-DOS protected-mode (DPMI) memory' to 65535.
On the 'Screen' tab page :
Select the 'Full-screen' radio button.
Uncheck the 'Dynamic memory allocation' checkbox.
On the 'Misc' tab page :
Uncheck the 'Allow screen saver' checkbox.
Move the 'Idle sensitivity' slider to low.
Uncheck all of 'Windows shortcut keys' checkboxes.
Finally, click on 'OK'. The shortcut is now configured and can be run
by double clicking on it.
General.
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ALT F7 - Decrease gamma correction
ALT F8 - increase gamma correction
3Dfx based cards.
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Although this game is run from Windows 95, it is not a native application. This means that
GLIDE.DLL and SST1INIT.DLL (3Dfx's proprietary Windows 95 DLLs) are not used and have no
bearing whatsoever on our product's performance.
When running on some systems, the game's sound effects may be heard to stutter.
Should you encounter this problem, the 3Dfx wait should be increased as per keys below until
the sound resumes normal operation. The default is to not wait at all.
ALT - Decrease 3Dfx wait.
ALT + Increase 3Dfx wait.
It should be noted that the above keys must be pressed repeatedly - they do not auto repeat.
If the above procedure does not produce the result you require then the addition of the line:
set sst_wait_on_vsync_enable=0
in your autoexec.bat will solve the sound stutter. It should be noted that this method
may produce some visual problems such as "tearing".
After installation of the 3Dfx version windows may tell you that the program is better if
it is run under DOS, If presented with the option, click on NO. The accelerated
versions of EF2000 will only work reliably when run in a Win95-DOS environment
Rendition V1000 based cards.
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The Rendition V1000 version of the game utilizes the Windows 95 display drivers.
Some older versions of these drivers fail when used by a DOS program. Always ensure that
the most recent drivers are installed and selected.
ALT F10
Cycle gamma correction mode. Initially gamma correction affects red, green and
blue simultaneously. By changing the gamma correction mode, subsequent presses of
ALT F7 and ALT F8 can be made to affect red, green and blue components individually.
The available modes are RGB(simultaneously), R(individually), G(individually), and
B(individually).
ALT F9
Toggle shape anti-aliasing on/off. This results in mobile shapes such as planes and tanks
having their external smoothed.
PLEASE NOTE:
If you are using the rendition version of EF2000 V2.0, Installation of DirectX 3
may cause the error:
"Couldn't open Verite card. Error 50 code 1"
when trying to play the game. This problem is rectified by installing the Rendition
video drivers again.
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#3459245 - 09/12/10 12:56 AM
Re: EF2000 and Strategic Command Success
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humm... yes, i remember now that there are 3 installs possible with EF2000 v2.0, 3dfx, win95, and rendition (?), so i was wrong and there is a EF2000 2.0 for win95 that has nothing to do with SEF2000. I never owned this version: I had SEF2000, but my CD was gone years ago and i was only able to recover the files from a past install. I have downloaded EF2000 2.0 for DOS 2 years ago from an Abandonware site. Alas, all this doesn't solve my problem in running SC  What I have just tryed and failed is: a) - Created a C:\EF2000 and moved all DOS files in it - Changed the system clock to 11-09-1997 - Unzipped SC_SPRT.ZIP into EF folder (not the beta yet) - runned DosBox 0.72 manually, mount c c:\ef2000, changed to C:\ and runned install.bat; patch sucessful: _EF2000.com created. - run sef2k.com > crash like shown above. b) - removed all files from C:\EF2000 and got in again all DOS files - same as a) but this time with the beta patch (unzip SC_SPRT.ZIP + unzip SC_BETA.ZIP); patch succesful after install.bat - > same crash c) - System clock at current time again - made a shortcut and changed settings as in the readme for Grafics+; won't start at all. The game itself runs fine, also using my Front End, although I cannot switch views or use the throttle with my joystick. I cannot see any important grafic differences compared to SEF2000, the sun reflections show polygons, not circles, so i assume there's no D3D running as it should. So, still no go for me. XenonS
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