#3458185 - 05/17/11 02:52 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Well they have some Las Vegas models added for 2011 so presumably they're still working on it. They are caught in a vicious development cycle.. They are constantly having to change the billboards in front of the casinos: The Blue Man Show - Luxor
Mystere - Bellagio
Joan Rivers Live! - The Wynn
Celine Dion - Caesars Palace
3 months later...Donnie Osmond - Luxor
La Reve - The Wynn
Larry the Cable Guy - Caesars Palace
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#3458186 - 05/17/11 06:34 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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So we can all agree FO has become the DNF of the simming world. Previous record holder was F4, which was delayed I think 3 years but still was only 7 years after its predecessor. Of course with DNF itself now due out, will we start talking about games being "the next FO" instead?
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#3458188 - 05/24/11 02:07 AM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Compare Fighter Ops to TargetWare. TargetWare took quite a while to get to a public release, then quite a while more to get to a debugged almost "polished" release. Ultimately, it was too far behind "state-of-the-art" to attract more than a handful of people and progresses very slowly despite the promise of open community development. Fighter Ops set much higher standards with apparently similar manpower assets. They can be honestly working on it as hard as they claim and still won't finish any time this decade If they ever release it, I suspect it will be so far obsolete that no one will care. The DCS series appears to be filling in the niche Fighter Ops hoped to capture.
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#3458189 - 05/26/11 10:11 AM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Well they have some Las Vegas models added for 2011 so presumably they're still working on it. They are caught in a vicious development cycle.. They are constantly having to change the billboards in front of the casinos: The Blue Man Show - Luxor
Mystere - Bellagio
Joan Rivers Live! - The Wynn
Celine Dion - Caesars Palace
3 months later...Donnie Osmond - Luxor
La Reve - The Wynn
Larry the Cable Guy - Caesars Palace
Rent - The Bellagio...ad infinitum... BeachAV8R Funny one Beach!
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#3458190 - 05/26/11 10:14 AM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Fighter Ops set much higher standards with apparently similar manpower assets. They can be honestly working on it as hard as they claim and still won't finish any time this decade If they ever release it, I suspect it will be so far obsolete that no one will care. The DCS series appears to be filling in the niche Fighter Ops hoped to capture. Yeah, unfortunately that seems to be more likely.
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#3458191 - 05/26/11 01:17 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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So we can all agree FO has become the DNF of the simming world. Previous record holder was F4, which was delayed I think 3 years but still was only 7 years after its predecessor. Of course with DNF itself now due out, will we start talking about games being "the next FO" instead?
The Jedi Master well...call me stupid or an optimist...stupid optimist...all of the above? LOL but I hope to see FO released!
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#3458192 - 05/26/11 04:24 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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I find very stupid the idea to keep interest in this project without any news to the community during several monthes. How can you pay for a membership to such a thing! No screens published in more than one year... and most of them are only rendered images!!!! bha!
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#3458193 - 05/26/11 08:06 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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yeah- when the genre is such a niche one w/ limited appeal, playing coy is a dumb idea.
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#3458194 - 05/27/11 06:14 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Hoping to see it released has little bearing on whether you can realistically believe it will be!
As for it being a scam, I suppose there are 2 ways to look at it: either they knew nothing would come from this and they just were doing some renders and interviews to get people to sign up at the site and collect the $$, or they honestly believed they could and the $$ was to cover expenses for things like the programming software and PC upgrades but were just unable to do it.
So, if the INTENT was to scam, it certainly is. However, if the intent was to be legit, but in the end the result is identical to if it was planned as a scam all along (people pay but no product is ever completed), do you call it one?
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#3458195 - 06/01/11 05:18 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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I wasn't that interested even when it was first announced. All the talk about the accurate training and the t-38 put me to sleep. And A51 was just an insult.
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#3458197 - 06/08/11 01:04 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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Hoping to see it released has little bearing on whether you can realistically believe it will be!
As for it being a scam, I suppose there are 2 ways to look at it: either they knew nothing would come from this and they just were doing some renders and interviews to get people to sign up at the site and collect the $$, or they honestly believed they could and the $$ was to cover expenses for things like the programming software and PC upgrades but were just unable to do it.
So, if the INTENT was to scam, it certainly is. However, if the intent was to be legit, but in the end the result is identical to if it was planned as a scam all along (people pay but no product is ever completed), do you call it one?
The Jedi Master excellent summation I believe it started out legit and somewhere along the way the FO people crossed into 'never to be released' territory. Perhaps they realize at this point and want to now 'scam' people or are waaaaay too embarrassed with the situation of never completing FO that they are in denial (as the saying goes...'denial ain't just a river in Egypt (yeah! it is also a psychological coping mechanism! ))
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#3458198 - 06/20/11 04:57 AM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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There is no way in heck I would ever subscribe and pay just to get first hand looks at screenshots and all other development of software.Over the last few years I have looked at the progress on their general forum but that's it.You would have to be a fool to pay for nothing.I will believe it when its actually released.
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#3458199 - 07/25/11 07:01 PM
Re: Fighter Ops late 2009 vid - where to see?
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I doubt this will ever see the light of day. If it does, it will probably be in an even worse condition than IL-2 Cliffs of Dover was. I never saw it as a scam, but the old saying "a fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind. Having said that, I would not be surprised if the sim has been dead for a long time and they're still happy to take people's money for as long as they can...
I looked at their site a few times many, many years ago, but lost interest thinking about having to mess around in T-38s first. Didn't sound like my kind of game at that point.
Fighter Ops reminds me of 90% of planned, major mods for games. Someone gets a good idea for something, recruits a few helpers, and then within a short period of time the project has gone cold. You could almost run bets on how long the project will last.
I refuse to buy a flight sim that I have no interest in playing, on the off chance that MAYBE someday they'll make the one I really want to play.
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#3458201 - 10/16/11 01:48 PM
Re: Fighter Ops info/vids?
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I have to say that if people are disputing whether the FO project is a scam, then something is terribly wrong with FO. It's kind of like electromagnetism: just because you don't explicitly know what's happening on the inside, you can still tell something about the inside based on what's happening on the outside. Whether it's a scam or not, the plausibility shows just how badly things are going. do you or anyone else have some updates for FO? if so, please share!!
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#3458202 - 10/16/11 03:29 PM
Re: Fighter Ops info/vids?
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do you or anyone else have some updates for FO? if so, please share!! No, you see that's the role of the FO people. You need to sign up for a payment plan at Area 51 and wait for your progress updates there. Good luck Patrocles!
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