#3414094 - 10/19/11 10:50 PM
Re: Early German career question
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There isn't a need to add earlier planes...they are already there. I was just just asking for more of a match up of E3's vs DH2's. They just need to back up the timeframe a bit where these 2 models faced each other instead of E3's facing 11's and 17's. If you read my original post closer you would see I wasn't asking for additional planes. My question about the morane bullet was just for knowledge, always hated that plane in RB3D.
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#3414165 - 10/20/11 12:31 AM
Re: Early German career question
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There isn't a need to add earlier planes...they are already there. I was just just asking for more of a match up of E3's vs DH2's. They just need to back up the timeframe a bit where these 2 models faced each other instead of E3's facing 11's and 17's. If you read my original post closer you would see I wasn't asking for additional planes. My question about the morane bullet was just for knowledge, always hated that plane in RB3D. And the point of my reply is that we would need more planes for an earlier 1916 career, namely two-seaters. Until those are modeled, there isn't a point in backing up the career start date.
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#3415878 - 10/22/11 12:36 PM
Re: Early German career question
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Irc the NP11 reached the front before the DH2. There were a couple of DH2s posted to France in 1915 but actual squadron deployment started in early 1916, same as the NP11. Before then single seat aircraft were attached in small numbers to 2 seater squadrons rather than being deployed solely in single seat units. What's needed are 1916 era 2 seaters, I'm sure 777 have some planeed. I can understand people wanting to start career mode as early as possible but at the moment, the planeset just isn't there. If you're happy with Nieuports pretending to be 2 seaters and such then go for it but I really don't see the point. From mid 1917 onwards its great
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#3415888 - 10/22/11 12:51 PM
Re: Early German career question
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From mid 1917 onwards its great RoF still completelly lacks french recon for 1917-1918 (RoF Breguet is bomber) IMO after RE8 and Halberstadt Cl.II next plane should be recon for french that can be used 1917-1918.
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#3415934 - 10/22/11 02:50 PM
Re: Early German career question
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Wasn't the DH2 one of the response's to help curb the "Fokker Scourge" in the early war? I agree the way it is now there isn't much reason to fly an E3 but thats my point. Earlier in the war they were more of a factor Yes, the DH2 was an early attempt at mounting a forward firing machine gun, but without a synchronizer. The DH2's success against the E.III had a lot to do with tactics and organization. Some of the most vociferous praise of the DH2 that we read about came from people who weren't actually pilots, e.g. Henry Rawlinson. In reality, the forward firing Lewis gun was not a big success because the RFC insisted that it be possible to aim it upward, like a Nieuport 11 or SE5a Lewis gun, and so it had all of the inaccuracy of a flexible gun mount. Nevermind that the DH2 pilot would have to have his head in between his legs to aim upward. Hawker was reprimanded for innovating a stationary mount for his Lewis gun, but eventually came up with a compromise clip that could both hold the gun steady, and allow for it to be aimed upward (to keep the authorities happy). Compared to the Nieuports, or even the E.III, the DH2 was something of a flying bird cage. It's no surprise that its performance in RoF is disappointing, but I would have preferred to see the DH2 modeled according to the (better) variant without the gravity tank. There isn't a need to add earlier planes...they are already there. I was just just asking for more of a match up of E3's vs DH2's. They just need to back up the timeframe a bit where these 2 models faced each other instead of E3's facing 11's and 17's. That's going to be difficult. The N11 was introduced before the DH2.
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#3415987 - 10/22/11 04:09 PM
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From mid 1917 onwards its great RoF still completelly lacks french recon for 1917-1918 (RoF Breguet is bomber) IMO after RE8 and Halberstadt Cl.II next plane should be recon for french that can be used 1917-1918. Salmson 2. As a priority I'd still like to see a 1916 2 seater per side to make 1916 careers at least playable. OK the Breguet we have was a dedicated bomber, but at least its a multi crew plane that fits the timeframe. For 1916 there's nothing suitable.
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#3416317 - 10/23/11 02:35 AM
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As a priority I'd still like to see a 1916 2 seater per side to make 1916 careers at least playable. OK the Breguet we have was a dedicated bomber, but at least its a multi crew plane that fits the timeframe. For 1916 there's nothing suitable. The RE8 is a 1916 two-seater.
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#3416432 - 10/23/11 08:19 AM
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As a priority I'd still like to see a 1916 2 seater per side to make 1916 careers at least playable. OK the Breguet we have was a dedicated bomber, but at least its a multi crew plane that fits the timeframe. For 1916 there's nothing suitable. The RE8 is a 1916 two-seater. Just barely (So is DFW, btw). Altought Salsom2 would be nice for french, its problem is that it came too late. We really would need plane that were used most 1917-1918 and only one to fit IMO is 1½ strutter. With two variants (early british and later french) you can cover very long time frame.
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#3582508 - 05/30/12 01:37 AM
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There's not a lot of incentive to add early/pre-1916 aircraft when there are still 1917-18 aircraft needed to be modeled. As such, I am glad 777 is adding aircraft the way they are, instead of haphazardly adding planes as was the case with IL2.
(Note: the game's title in Russia is "War in the Heavens - 1917"). Ehh, I sort of disagree. If they had determined to completely model the 1917-1918 era before giving us the DH-2, E.III, and N.11, great. But since they give us those fighters, we sort of need some early-mid 1916 recon/bombers to go with them. I would prefer a balanced (a 1916 plane for every couple or few 1917-1918 planes) approach.
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#3582602 - 05/30/12 08:27 AM
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As a priority I'd still like to see a 1916 2 seater per side to make 1916 careers at least playable. OK the Breguet we have was a dedicated bomber, but at least its a multi crew plane that fits the timeframe. For 1916 there's nothing suitable. The RE8 is a 1916 two-seater. I don't have any stats but there were hardly any squadrons using the RE8 before April 1917. The 2 seaters being hacked from the sky that April were BE2s, FE2s and Strutters.
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#3582609 - 05/30/12 08:49 AM
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I don't have any stats but there were hardly any squadrons using the RE8 before April 1917. The 2 seaters being hacked from the sky that April were BE2s, FE2s and Strutters. True, but yes, the RE8 was introduced to the Western Front in November 1916 with 52 Squadron. With that said, yes, I would like to see some more aircraft to help fill out the late 1916-early 1917 planeset, namely two-seaters.
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