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#3412674 - 10/18/11 07:27 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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it's a MAG down here too. All aircraft gun position within our tactical helo group are afaik (RNLAF). Whatever you put on the ramp will be fine, i just care about flying the chinook and any other utility/tactical ships that'll turn up over time. I'll leave the attack helo's to others. Will fly co-op as door gunner or loadmaster though, bearing M60, minigun, MAG or a cornpopper should you so choose. wink

Definate will buy!


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#3412726 - 10/18/11 08:34 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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RAF Chinooks don't use M240's. They use M60's. That's a sizeable clue even I could get.

This was quite well known for it's M60's. That's obvious, but it's meaningless, or is it?

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#3412732 - 10/18/11 08:56 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Well, that would depend on what other DLC you guys are planning... wink


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#3412734 - 10/18/11 09:03 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Well, I demand a Chinook-H variant (H as in Hind)! We in Slovakia fly the Chinook-H variant all the time.
Yes, the Chinook-H variant is not so sizable as its western counterpart, but it can pack a punch, mind you!

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#3412760 - 10/18/11 10:54 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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#3412805 - 10/18/11 12:24 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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#3412819 - 10/18/11 12:43 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: Floydii]  
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Originally Posted By: Floydii
Sweet Jesus. Seriously, it's not like they are modelling laser cannons instead of the M240.
Both the M60 and M240 are gas operated 7.62mm MGs with approximately the same range and characteristics when mounted as they are on the CH47 (and don't piss on about max range and all that, the thing is being fired over ironsights, unstabilised from a moving and elevated platform).

AD I'll still be buying your game regardless. And I sure as hell don't intend on flying the Chinook.



Aside from range and weight there are some important differences between the M240 and the M60. For example;



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#3412835 - 10/18/11 01:10 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Quote:
Aside from range and weight there are some important differences between the M240 and the M60. For example;


Yes you can attack biggrin



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#3412842 - 10/18/11 01:19 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Oh come on! How can you compare it? Nothing removes a lock from a bamboo jail cell like an M60.



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#3412892 - 10/18/11 02:24 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Hey AD, here's my two cents on a door gun.



Two cents complete. neaner


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#3412896 - 10/18/11 02:28 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Phi this movie is over-rated neaner ,yours can open a bamboo jail lock

But can yours do that ready




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#3413586 - 10/19/11 08:57 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: Raptor9]  
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Originally Posted By: Raptor9
Hey AD, here's my two cents on a door gun.



Two cents complete. neaner


We have a winner!


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#3413624 - 10/19/11 11:10 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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That would make a great easter egg.
And many god-awful messes.

#3414387 - 10/20/11 12:40 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: Floydii]  
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Originally Posted By: Floydii
Sweet Jesus. Seriously, it's not like they are modelling laser cannons instead of the M240.
Both the M60 and M240 are gas operated 7.62mm MGs with approximately the same range and characteristics when mounted as they are on the CH47 (and don't piss on about max range and all that, the thing is being fired over ironsights, unstabilised from a moving and elevated platform).

AD I'll still be buying your game regardless. And I sure as hell don't intend on flying the Chinook.



I would even buy the Combat-Helo Chinook DLC (and of course Combat-Helo) even if they modelled laser cannons on it! biggrin

Anyway, in my posts I never mentioned that I wouldn't buy the Chinook DLC if it modeled the M60 (instead of the M240) even because like you said and I also mentioned before, both guns (M60 and M240) are quite similar (both are 7,62mm NATO General Purpose Machine Guns) and they even have a similar external shape (at least IMO). But if you want to model a current Aghan-era US Army Chinook and be historically accurate the weapon to model is the M240 and not the M60.

Regarding the modeling of the M60 for reusing it in other helicopters/scenarios part I think there's no need for it since a very gifted and talented modeler that AD definitly is, can reshape a M240 to look like an M60 is a matter of a "couple of hours" but of course only AD can confirm this for sure?

But of course, my vote will also go to Raptor's Mini-Nuke launcher (from Fallout3 - Awesome game BTW!). hahaha

#3414405 - 10/20/11 01:01 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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From reading your posts there's only one thing I can confirm for certain, and that is something I better not mention.

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#3414414 - 10/20/11 01:06 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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My wife wouldn't let me play Fallout 3. Said it's "an evil game".

Did I ever relate the tale of how I fired the CH Apache's 30mm cannon and blew up the entire map? Slight miscalculation in splash damage area resulting in a runaway chain reaction. That slowed the frame rate down I tell you.


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#3414446 - 10/20/11 01:43 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Originally Posted By: AD
From reading your posts there's only one thing I can confirm for certain, and that is something I better not mention.

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#3426318 - 11/05/11 03:54 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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#3426590 - 11/05/11 03:39 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Well, I also had the impression that the usual US Army CH-47D weaponry is the M240 for both side front windows and rear ramp (the British and Australian CH-47Ds seem to usually use the Minigun in their front side windows) but I also believe that if needed the US Army Chinooks could easily mount and use the minigun in the front side windows. Besides, I'm pretty sure that I've seen photos of US Army CH-47D (not any MH-47 variant) armed with miniguns in their front side windows.
Here's a link where a photo is legended as "M134 Mini-Gun mounted in a CH-47D Chinook helicopter":

http://vnfawing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3027&sid=f5cbd282a0c7d9dd35eb9f639f282eaf

But granted, it's not possible (at least at first glance) to see what version of the Chinook is really portraited in that photo since the only part visible of the photo is the Chinook's right front side window.


Anyway, my sugestion (if I'm allowed to) is:
-> Allow the player when on the ground and before the mission to equip/arm the front side window mounts (both left and right) of his/hers Chinook where the player could choose between the M134 Minigun and the M240 machine guns, this would be similar to what already happens with the Apache in Combat-Helo and is exactly what happens in Jane's Longbow2 when arming the UH-60 Blackhawk (where the player could also select between the M134 Minigun and the M240 machine guns for the helicopter's side mounted guns).
I'm sugesting this because the Chinook variant modeled in Combat-Helo is the CH-47D, right?

#3426667 - 11/05/11 05:11 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Selectable armament on CH and UH helicopter gunner slots sounds like a good idea for DLC down the road. You COULD get really creative and add .50 cals and Mk19 grenade launchers. That's not sarcasm, I've seen those on Air Force Spec Ops helos. However, the Mk19 was on the tail ramp of an MH-53 Pave Low and the .50 cals were mounted in place of the sliding door on a HH-60 Pave Hawk. They were obviously too big to mount on the crew chief doors where the 240's and 60's were normally mounted. 50cal


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