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#3411211 - 10/16/11 07:12 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Has anyone seen Split Second?

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#3411289 - 10/16/11 01:09 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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That's looking tasty.

Split Second was by far my favourite console racing game. I don't know the movie.


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#3411348 - 10/16/11 03:44 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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A little ways into the paint job (and sans specular).





Once this is done I'll be working on the M60 tail gun which will be an optional door gun also.

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#3411355 - 10/16/11 04:02 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: Flexman]  
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Originally Posted By: Flexman
Split Second was by far my favourite console racing game. I don't know the movie.


Rutger Hauer in post-apocalyptic, flooded London hunting a monster. All of these in early nineties style B-class movie. Cool stuff.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105459/



Will it be possible to use this gun?

#3411507 - 10/16/11 09:14 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: _michal]  
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Originally Posted By: empeck
Rutger Hauer in post-apocalyptic, flooded London hunting a monster. All of these in early nineties style B-class movie. Cool stuff.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105459/


Will it be possible to use this gun?


The minigun will be available for use in the Chinook door positions yes. Besides the two cockpit positions there will be two door slots (for minigun or M60), a ramp slot and a hole in the floor slot (for a load master). In Combat-Helo each vehicle slot can be occupied by yourself or multi-player clients.

It'll be the most fun you can have in an ass and trash helicopter.


As for the movie, it sounds like my kind of rubbish, will check it out.


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#3411568 - 10/16/11 10:30 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Just one note:
- Shouldn't the Chinook's rear machine gun be a M240 (the American version of the FN MAG) instead of the M60?
According from the majority of sources and pictures that I saw regading the Chinook seems to indicate that the machine gun which is usually used in the Chinook is the M240 and not the M60.
Of course that both machine guns look similar (afterall they are the same class of weapon - 7,62mm NATO Machine Gun) but there are diferences (including external) between both guns.

Anyway awesome looking Miniguns, can't wait to fire them in anger in Combat-Helo! smile

#3411836 - 10/17/11 08:34 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Oh god. Not top trumps again ... Ok I play my "RTFM card" against your "I looked on google card".



Hit me. smile

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#3411852 - 10/17/11 09:52 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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M240 found this photo here

#3411853 - 10/17/11 09:54 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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#3411880 - 10/17/11 11:13 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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My information on the matter is incomplete.



(Any excuse to break out my deck)


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#3411945 - 10/17/11 01:24 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Does this card mean that i won ;-)



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#3411974 - 10/17/11 02:03 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Originally Posted By: AD
Oh god. Not top trumps again ... Ok I play my "RTFM card" against your "I looked on google card".



Hit me. smile

Cheers


Look AD, what I'm trying here is to give you (your team) the best possible info or resuming to make a positive contribute to your project but and unless I missunderstood you post completly, unfortunally my previous post seemed to piss you "a bit" off which again is very, very odd since I'm perhaps one of your biggest supporters/fan of your project, at least I consider myself to be.
And I really find very odd your reply even because according to your info (what you posted) it also mentions that the machine gun that is used in the left and right sides of the Chinook is also the M60D and doesn't even mention the Minigun, so why are you modeling the Minigun? According to your own reply, perhaps you should consider that instead of modeling the Minigun model you should model (and replace the Miniguns with) the M60D rolleyes

But you want "my card", so here it is:

CH-47 Wikipedia website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook

where it says (regadarding to weapons): "up to 3 pintle mounted medium machine guns (1 on loading ramp and 2 at shoulder windows), generally 7.62 mm (0.308 in) M240/FN MAG machine guns"
Note: in this website there's picture of a M240 in the rear ramp of an US Army CH-47 Chinook.


M60 Machine gun Wikipedia wesite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_machine_gun

where it says (regarding the M60D): "In US service, the M60D are being replaced, primarily by the M240H"


US Helicopter Armament Subsystems website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Helicopt...2Guns-a-GoGo.22

Where it says (regading the CH-47's M24 machine gun mount): "NOTE: The US Army phased out the M60D in favor of the M240D and subsequently M240H, but it is unknown whether the necessity of a new cradle for the weapon resulted in the system being redesignated. The mount is otherwise the same. EDIT The M240 utilizes a modified M24 mount system that has been redesigned to accommodate the ammunition magazine and a catch bag for containing expended ammunition casings and ammunition links. It also features an improved roller on the pintle to prevent excessive and premature wear to the mount assembly. Mount system designation remains the same, in spite of such an extensive redesign."


And here are some websites where you can find more pictures of the CH-47 armed with a M240 in it's rear ramp (note that in some of those websites you have to search the desired photos since there is a considerable number of photos in those sites):
http://www.wabbaly.com/photography-on-the-front-line/

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/FN_M240

http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=6&f=18&t=226892&page=13


I even go as far as saying that the M240 is more commonly seen in US Army CH-47 in the left and right sides than the Minigun itself! (Note that I'm NOT against the Minigun by the contrary!)

Honestly I think your data regarding the M60 could be a bit dated, all (or the vast majority of) operational CH-47 Chinook in either Iraq or Afghanistan seem be equiped with M240s and not M60s and honestly I believe that there could be lots of US servicemen that can confirm this. Anyway, as I previously said I was ONLY trying to help!

#3411983 - 10/17/11 02:17 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Which part of that do you think I didn't know, and haven't known, for the last two years, since building a Chinook model inside and out by compiling a virtual library of Chinook photos, references, manuals, diagrams, email correspondents (with real life walking talking Chinook pilots) and other assorted details? smile

Just like the hills, I have eyes. And just like the methods, I have madness. Take a moment to think about why the M60 is a much better asset to have and things become clear. If my hair knew what my brain was thinking I'd shave it off and buy a wig.

P.s Rick mentioned that he needs some help identifying the pointy thing under the nose of the Apache and the green barrel of cheese on top.

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#3411993 - 10/17/11 02:29 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: Tantalwz88]  
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Originally Posted By: Tantalwz88
Does this card mean that i won ;-)




Well your Chinook is 1 cm shorter than Ricks and his has 1700 horse power more than yours. Yours doesn't have a door gun nor does it have debris screens so it'd probably stall, crash and burn ... in Afghanistan ... in a computer game.

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#3411999 - 10/17/11 02:35 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Originally Posted By: AD
Which part of that do you think I didn't know, and haven't known, for the last two years, since building a Chinook model inside and out by compiling a virtual library of Chinook photos, references, manuals, diagrams, email correspondents (with real life walking talking Chinook pilots) and other assorted details? smile


Well, I have the oppinion that nobody knows everything about anything and fool is the one that thinks that way...

Anyway, if I could guess what the rest of mankind knows just by looking into the internet I guess I would be millionare by now and perhaps I could help you financially. And you mentioned that you would use the M60 for the rear ramp of the CH-47 and all I did was to give my oppinion that the M240 made much more sense than the M60 for a realism sake.



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Just like the hills, I have eyes. And just like the methods, I have madness. Take a moment to think about why the M60 is a much better asset to have and things become clear.


Humm, honestly I can't think of any reason why the M60 could or should be a much better asset to have (than the M240), but please feel free to enlighten me wink

#3412007 - 10/17/11 02:41 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Thanks for your help. smile

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#3412028 - 10/17/11 03:16 PM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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But mine is a vinatege model worth more on the "market" biggrin

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#3412581 - 10/18/11 04:15 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Sorry AD, it's the 240, or for an Aus Chinook it's a MAG-58. smile

Made by Fabrique Nationale, they're pretty much interchangeable and I think they share a lot of parts, though I haven't actually played with the M240.

Haven't seen an M60 in years *sigh* I miss 'em.

You should put together a nice 'twin-60 mount' like in a Huey gunship!

Left and Right Gun info to follow in the next couple of days.

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#3412583 - 10/18/11 04:19 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Combat-Helo Huey Gunship!!!!!

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#3412652 - 10/18/11 06:46 AM Re: Chinook update [Re: AD]  
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Sweet Jesus. Seriously, it's not like they are modelling laser cannons instead of the M240.
Both the M60 and M240 are gas operated 7.62mm MGs with approximately the same range and characteristics when mounted as they are on the CH47 (and don't piss on about max range and all that, the thing is being fired over ironsights, unstabilised from a moving and elevated platform).

AD I'll still be buying your game regardless. And I sure as hell don't intend on flying the Chinook.

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